Would you be concerned... 4 year old "trans"

@DobbysTeaCosy

Some girls will like blue and climbing trees.

Exactly, 3 years ago, my daughter informed me, "Ella's gender is boy, she likes football and climbing trees."

We were out with her friend and friend's mother and between us, we tried to explain the difference between sex and gender. They got giggly and squeaky and told us we were swearing, as the "S" word.

They were taught all that rubbish in first school and when I enquired, they were very wishy-washy about it. I suspect that they had the No Outsiders propaganda indoctrination.

None of the other parents seemed to have any idea about it.

I teach (extra curricular) a 7 year old girl who has been told by her parents she is a transgender boy and now spends an inordinate amount of time mentioning "I'm transgender." Her poor younger brother gets corrected by teachers when he refers to his sister "you mean your brother." Similarly other kids in her class correct themselves guiltily when they accidentally say "she" so have obviously been told in no uncertain terms she is a boy. I think this is damaging to them as well as her. FFS.

Whenever I'm around them I spend a lot of time biting my lip and I go out of my way to avoid using any pronouns. I assume this is a relatively recent development because she has pierced ears and a pink bike, presumably purchased before they decided she was a boy.

This is very interesting. The person I know who has changed the gender of her son is a sex therapist. I wonder if we’re talking about the same person. I thought the boy was 4 though, and he’s at pre-school rather than school. Are you in central London by any chance?

Very very sobering article. It should be compulsory reading for teachers, health care professionals, early years practitioners etc. As well as parents.

Absolutely bonkers, my ds at aged 5 was running around in his sisters old Sofia the first dress and other princess costumes, at aged 12 he's certainly not trans and never has been. The problem is the ludicrous parents!

It's heartbreaking, and I've seen it play through with the child of someone I know. 5 yr old has no idea what they're signing up to, they're probably still at a stage where they think changing clothes changes your sex, and their parent just corroborated that for them. I am convinced it's lazy parenting going for what's easy and makes the child happy in the short term, and not thinking about the path you're sending them down.

It is highly abusive to suggest to a young child that they are anything other than the sex they are. Equally they can play with and dress however they like. The market targetted at girls is often more colourful, bright, textured and fun which is why young children may prefer it. Most of the male kids in my own family and friends circle have experiened this. Wouldn't dream of saying they were trans. If I came across this in real life I would try to talk some sense in the mother. As I say, it is abusive, and if you go along with it, you are complicit in that abuse. I cannot understand how so many look the other way. It takes a village to raise a child.

Thank you. Useful.

@FrancescaContini
There's also a piece about the impact on teenagers - very sad reading about how catastrophically we've let young people down by allowing proponents of this ideology to run amok in and out of school:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/teenager-says-theyre-transgender/

Excellently put!

Thank you for this link. Really interesting. I’m going to pass it on.

Yes. It’s a completely normal and very common stage of development for many children. But some parents are too thick to realise this - very sadly for the child involved.

Just one more link for those who haven't seen this - the psychological harm that happens to young children who are set up to believe they're the opposite sex - and then the reality of puberty arrives:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

This is long, but if you've time, here's a legal judgement from Mr Justice Hayden about the actual harm that happened to a little boy who's mentally unwell mother was pandered to by numerous professionals who listened to her when she claimed he was a girl while ignoring the emotional abuse she subjected this young boy to. She was supported by Mermaids (who he subsequently barred from having contact with the child) and the mother lost custody to the father.

it's a nuanced and fascinating account of how professionals can act when in thrall to an ideology and he emphasises their failure to stop the abuse that this little boy experienced. The views of the school that saw no signs of him being confused about being a boy were ignored, while his evidently unwell mother and adults from Mermaids were the ones listened. Nothing has changed since then it it seems - except that numerous schools have joined in with prioritising the demands of adult trans activist groups over the welfare of children:

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

Sick parents. My son liked to dress up in these things, like his sister, until he went to school!

Our son at that age wore his sisters tutus, played with dolls etc, never once did we think anything of it, he grew up to be a normal male, can you even say that these days? Trans does seem to be a trend at the minute, personally not convinced that a 5 year old would know the difference but that’s just my opinion

I agree. The mother in my case almost certainly has munchausens. She’s convinced her son also has cancer and won’t accept the doctors advice that he doesn’t.

The school will not do this as this would cause a massive ruckus and the school being labelled as transphobic. Plus education is all but completely captured so they will probably welcome and celebrate this making it even harder for the child to desist. These children are suffering societal abuse as well as individual abuse within the family unit.

Munchhausen’s Syndrome by Proxy.

I hope the child’s school makes a safeguarding referral.

Yes, understood and, for some, this is right.

Wasn't Malcom McClaren dressed as a girl by his grandmother , who he lived with , till he was 12 ?

This is the type of parent who will claim "I'm just supporting and letting my child be whatever he wants to be", when in reality, is doing the very opposite.

So sad.