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Sex not gender, No Outsiders changing the Equality Act, DepHead/DSL captured

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Vebrithien · 01/02/2023 12:51

Well, here we are, with a whole new thread!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4713725-please-help-gender-not-sex-on-a-school-protected-characteristics-poster-just-spoken-to-the-head?page=10&reply=123546552

Thank you all, so so much for the support you have given me.

I am currently working on the draft of the message I want to send.

Long story short, DD's primary school displays posters by No Outsiders, showing the 9 protected characteristics of the Equality Act. Sex as been replaced with gender.

I have raised this with the Head, the assistant Head, and the Deputy Head (DepHead, as DH just doesn't work here). I have been reassured that sex is synonymous with gender in law, and, through an email stream, No Outsiders have reassured the school that it is deliberate, gender is easier to teach children than sex, especially as some will snigger at sex.

Oh, and teaching that gender is the difference between boys and girls, it makes it easier to then explain gender reassignment later on.

I'll put the message from the DepHead and No Outsiders here, and also my reply, in its current state.

Thank you all again!

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MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 06/03/2024 09:15

I dunno, it seems like a strategy to isolate your group of parents @Vebrithien from other parents. If I was cynical I’d think this is a tactic to ensure that no other parents hear your point of view and they just hear you/parent D must have said or done something “bad” to get a site ban.

After all, other parents could potentially agree with you and want to join in and form a bigger body of parents with concerns about the school policy. The school will want to avoid that at all costs.

Villagetoraiseachild · 06/03/2024 09:13

Yes, I agree with @ScrollingLeaves , disproportionate power/abuse of power.

Villagetoraiseachild · 06/03/2024 09:09

*Until the Deputy Head has completed a balanced investigation.....(?)

From what we know here, I wouldn't consider that balance is possible with this individual. Sounds like marking your own not very well done homework you did on the bus.

At least you can speak on phones or in other places to support each other, but I get this level of oppression is not fun. Keep your collective chins up.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/03/2024 09:01

Vebrithien · 06/03/2024 08:11

@SinnerBoy you saw it coming.

The parent who was phoned by the DepHead, yesterday asked a couple of parents in a different year group if they had been taught about LGBTQ+ history month. They said no, and she said that perhaps it was year 4 only.

She received a message this morning from the DepHead, telling her that we must respect the school ethos and values. And that she is banned from the school site, until the DepHead has completed a balanced investigation, to safeguard the other parents.

We are all feeling shaken, this morning. It could be any of us.

Is The DepHead showing that the school ethos is to inculcate children with the idea of middle-aged fathers transitioning by copying a gender stereotype, putting on dresses and makeup, saying they are a woman, and expecting their child and the child’s friends to validate them as a woman?

Is the school’s ethos to be politically partisan and teach transactivist literature to children without giving them balance and context?

It seems clear now that the parents need to know about this anything but impartial, politically driven, school ‘ethos which now also seeks to exclude parents who disagree, and to shut down speech.

The school is discriminating against a parent, singling them out for about their concerns.

ThatDepHead seems to have disproportionate power.

I am sorry Vebrithien, this is very difficult indeed for you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/03/2024 09:00

Yes, I agree. Register a formal complaint with the governors. She might need to meet with the head first, to go through all the stages.

bignosebignose · 06/03/2024 08:51

“to safeguard the other parents.”

Wut? Asking other parents about the curriculum is a safeguarding issue? The DepHead seems to have lost all sense of perspective. Governors, then Local Authority, then even Ofsted, may be the end game here.

Boiledbeetle · 06/03/2024 08:48

So it was a group letter but the dep head has singled out one individual to bully? If I was her I'd say I had never received that message and be forcing the deputy head to say it to my face in a full playground.

I send you all virtual hugs though the internet

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SinnerBoy · 06/03/2024 08:31

Blimey, Vebrithien, what a horror show. I wonder if she has any legal route to get over the ban? Surely it's harassment? Parents are legally entitled to know what is being taught in their children's schools.

Redshoeblueshoe · 06/03/2024 08:25

Bloody hell - that's horrendous

Vebrithien · 06/03/2024 08:11

@SinnerBoy you saw it coming.

The parent who was phoned by the DepHead, yesterday asked a couple of parents in a different year group if they had been taught about LGBTQ+ history month. They said no, and she said that perhaps it was year 4 only.

She received a message this morning from the DepHead, telling her that we must respect the school ethos and values. And that she is banned from the school site, until the DepHead has completed a balanced investigation, to safeguard the other parents.

We are all feeling shaken, this morning. It could be any of us.

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Vebrithien · 06/03/2024 07:35

Thank you all. Must confess, it is taking its toll.

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MsGoodenough · 06/03/2024 06:30

You are an absolute powerhouse OP.

Boiledbeetle · 06/03/2024 00:56

Time for pom pom waving for Veb and Co

Excited Go Team GIF
Binglebong · 06/03/2024 00:10

Another school may not have the wise warriors to fight them.

Villagetoraiseachild · 05/03/2024 23:04

Excuse my flippancy, but might it not all be remedied by the DH going to another school?

It's been a long day and I'm speechless at the latest developments here.
The sheer grit and stamina of your team in the face of this long game is so commendable @Vebrithien .

Kucinghitam · 05/03/2024 16:42

Hats off to you and the other parents @Vebrithien, I have been following your threads since the beginning and am agog at the arrogance of the school.

I can't help but think that the DepHead is a typical Right-Side-of-History warrior, so high on their own Righteous farts that they believe they can do no wrong in pursuit of the Rainbow uplands. And then with barely a scratch, underneath the glittery veil, they reveal their nasty snarling bigotry against anybody they can dismiss as Wrong-Side. Sneering at religious families and threatening to deny children an education? How very Diverse, Inclusive and Kind.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/03/2024 15:51

Looks as if you have a very solid case there. And managing it brilliantly!

Vebrithien · 05/03/2024 15:49

Yes, this is a state school.

The parent who was told to take her children elsewhere, is writing her email of complaint (with our help).

I understand that she (as a practising Christian, married to a practising Muslim) does not want her children taught about transgender ideology, or that children can be boys one day and girls the next, and neither, on the third day. I know that there is no parental right of veto, nor is there the parental right to remove children from RSE. However, I feel that the DepHead has completely misjudged her reply, in dismissing friend D's religious beliefs as bigoted and offensive. Likewise, I feel that the school has misjudged how appropriate is it to introduce these controversial ideas to children, without encouraging any discussion around it.

We have to follow the complaints procedure. Complaint, then formal complaint.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/03/2024 15:41

IMO the parent who was told that her children should go elsewhere needs to complain individually and formally to the head teacher. The fact that it's about gender wouldn't be the point. Seems as if the deputy head really has gone rogue about something that's their own personal hot-button topic. This is a state school, right? You just don't say "go elsewhere" to a parent who makes a complaint about teaching content, not even if the parent was a batshit racist complaining about "Uncle Tom's Cabin".

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2024 15:19

Vebrithien · 05/03/2024 14:50

I'd have eviscerated her.

Politely, and calmly, of course!

And the deputy head bloody knows it!

Vebrithien · 05/03/2024 14:50

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2024 14:43

💜💜💜💜💜

And I notice the deputy head didn't dare ring you to have a go at last night!

I'd have eviscerated her.

Politely, and calmly, of course!

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Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2024 14:45

SinnerBoy · 05/03/2024 14:20

Vebrithien · Today 13:30

And thank you SinnerBoy your thoughts are very insightful.

I am blushing...

I just thought that was your sea wind swept rosy cheeks!

LoveIceland · 05/03/2024 14:44

It really does feel like so much is coming to a head on this issue. We can’t go on only respecting and being kind to one class of people any more. And we cannot continue with being forced to lie and deny reality. Whether it’s push back in local situations like yours, or on the bigger stage like JKR every little ‘drip’ counts! Wishing you lots
of luck, once again

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2024 14:43

Vebrithien · 05/03/2024 13:49

In the theme of our dear @Boiledbeetle

Incandescently angry.
Not just vexed, or annoyed.
We are beyond that.

We have left the livid shores, exasperated, sad.
Beyond the tempestuous seas, tumultuously tossed and turned.

We have arrived, sader and older, in the lands of white, hot fury.

We will not be silenced.
With dignity and respect.

WE WILL ENDURE.

💜💜💜💜💜

And I notice the deputy head didn't dare ring you to have a go at last night!

SinnerBoy · 05/03/2024 14:20

Vebrithien · Today 13:30

And thank you SinnerBoy your thoughts are very insightful.

I am blushing...