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Sex not gender, No Outsiders changing the Equality Act, DepHead/DSL captured

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Vebrithien · 01/02/2023 12:51

Well, here we are, with a whole new thread!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4713725-please-help-gender-not-sex-on-a-school-protected-characteristics-poster-just-spoken-to-the-head?page=10&reply=123546552

Thank you all, so so much for the support you have given me.

I am currently working on the draft of the message I want to send.

Long story short, DD's primary school displays posters by No Outsiders, showing the 9 protected characteristics of the Equality Act. Sex as been replaced with gender.

I have raised this with the Head, the assistant Head, and the Deputy Head (DepHead, as DH just doesn't work here). I have been reassured that sex is synonymous with gender in law, and, through an email stream, No Outsiders have reassured the school that it is deliberate, gender is easier to teach children than sex, especially as some will snigger at sex.

Oh, and teaching that gender is the difference between boys and girls, it makes it easier to then explain gender reassignment later on.

I'll put the message from the DepHead and No Outsiders here, and also my reply, in its current state.

Thank you all again!

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Boiledbeetle · 24/02/2023 23:39

Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 22:21

Ooh, ooooh!

One of the other mums has already emailed the DepHead, in support of what I've said!!

You really do deserve a gold star for today's effort!

🌟

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/02/2023 23:32

This is so important - enjoy that feeling (as you'll no doubt be met with denial, snide accusations of bigotry and repressed fury).
Parents are having to step up to the plate over this. In the absence of guidelines from the DfE all these self invested adult groups, having successfully targeted universities and secondary schools are now making a fortune out of selling this adult ideology to the youngest of children - the least able to protect themselves from adult fantasy and upside down beliefs.

Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 23:08

Also, mum friend H has posted on our group that she has emailed the DepHead to show support, and one of the other mums has asked for what she sent, as she would also like to email in.

You know that feeling, of shoving against a boulder, at the top of a hill, and to start to feel it give way. You can hear the grass roots creaking and snapping, as the boulder tips and teeters over, at more and more of an angle. You know, if you can keep on pushing, eventually, gravity WILL take over, and the boulder will topple and roll down the hill?

That's how I feel tonight.

There is hope.

Yes. I have had a 🍷🍷

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Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 23:02

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/02/2023 22:51

Vebrithien:
It's worth you and the other parents asking why this primary school are spending so much funding on queer theory groups like No Outsiders (with all its dubious history) and now Diversity Role Models? - see Transgender Trend's take on them here:
www.transgendertrend.com/diversity-role-models-conformity-new-ideology/

It would be very revealing to ask for actual data about why gender issues are such a priority for this school?
What school based learning / bullying / pastoral etc data is there to support resources being spent on gender identity for children in this school?
What's the breakdown in terms of £££, staff time (training, meetings), displays, curriculum time for gender identity and what's the breakdown spent on the other relevant protected characteristics: sex, age, disability / SEN, race, religion.

Is this data / child driven or driven by the personal interests of adults working in the school?

Apologies if I mentioned this earlier but it bears repeating - school based interventions are meant to meet the learning and emotional health / wellbeing needs of the children and schools identify this from their data.

Thank you!

I've read her email, it's brilliant, especially as it comes at the issue from a different but converging point of view.

I suspect that, as it escalates to a formal complaint, and we copy in the governors, we will have to start asking about the money side of things.

You have no idea how amazing it is to be able to say "WE"!

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/02/2023 22:51

Vebrithien:
It's worth you and the other parents asking why this primary school are spending so much funding on queer theory groups like No Outsiders (with all its dubious history) and now Diversity Role Models? - see Transgender Trend's take on them here:
www.transgendertrend.com/diversity-role-models-conformity-new-ideology/

It would be very revealing to ask for actual data about why gender issues are such a priority for this school?
What school based learning / bullying / pastoral etc data is there to support resources being spent on gender identity for children in this school?
What's the breakdown in terms of £££, staff time (training, meetings), displays, curriculum time for gender identity and what's the breakdown spent on the other relevant protected characteristics: sex, age, disability / SEN, race, religion.

Is this data / child driven or driven by the personal interests of adults working in the school?

Apologies if I mentioned this earlier but it bears repeating - school based interventions are meant to meet the learning and emotional health / wellbeing needs of the children and schools identify this from their data.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/02/2023 22:28

Vebrithien · Today 22:21
Ooh, ooooh!

One of the other mums has already emailed the DepHead, in support of what I've said!!

That is very good news, it really is.

Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 22:21

Ooh, ooooh!

One of the other mums has already emailed the DepHead, in support of what I've said!!

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Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 20:25

@bignosebignose It may also be worth mentioning to the school that Ofsted expect all staff in a school to be able to quote the 9 protected characteristics, AS THEY ARE IN LAW.

Ahem. Sorry for shouting.

In the secondary school I teach in, every single tutor room has a copy of the 9 protected characteristics on display, along with the 5 British values.

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Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 20:22

bignosebignose · 24/02/2023 20:13

Nice work vebrithien, great to get support like that. I'm still in the early stages of this, having had my son's primary school patiently explain to me (in writing) as if I'm stupid, that gender identity is a protected characteristic. This was after I'd had the audacity to ask for a bit more info following some correspondence gleefully celebrating the kids being taught not to use wrong pronouns for their "trans" classmates. Fun times ahead, and I will be shamelessly raiding your thread(s) for supporting materials as and when required.

Oh bloody hell! That's awful!

In a way, luckily I'm a science teacher, and so can reasonably be expected to know the 9 protected characteristics.

But if it's not something you're used to seeing, it's all too easy to be put into doubt.

My full letter is posted earlier on, and I can really recommend the Safe Schools Alliance resources. Feel free to pinch anything from here that you find useful.

@rabbitwoman also sent me an amazing document from her LEA, on how schools there should be addressing your concerns.

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bignosebignose · 24/02/2023 20:13

Nice work vebrithien, great to get support like that. I'm still in the early stages of this, having had my son's primary school patiently explain to me (in writing) as if I'm stupid, that gender identity is a protected characteristic. This was after I'd had the audacity to ask for a bit more info following some correspondence gleefully celebrating the kids being taught not to use wrong pronouns for their "trans" classmates. Fun times ahead, and I will be shamelessly raiding your thread(s) for supporting materials as and when required.

Emotionalsupportviper · 24/02/2023 20:04

Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 17:34

I've had a a few thumbs up to the messages, a couple of messages of support on the whole year group chat, and two private messages, both offering to email the school and join my name under a formal complaint.

There are already 8 of us in the group I started an hour ago, and one of my friends is sharing my original messages with a different year group.

As Mrs Pankhurst said "Courage calls to courage".

Well done!

TheMadGardener · 24/02/2023 19:49

Just stopping by to applaud you, OP. I lost a long-term friend this week after sticking my head above the parapet to defend JKR when my friend (who had always seemed like a perfectly rational person to me) shared a horrible post referring to JKR as "Voldeterf". I gave evidence defending JKR and triggered a massive online pile-on from some other friends of hers (who I didn't know) calling me a terf, a bitch, transphobic, etc etc. She's now unfriended and blocked...

I hope OP that the school is duly shaken when they find out you are not a lone voice but that many other parents support you. If they keep not replying to you, make sure you chase them for a response.

Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 19:33

Okay, thanks for the warning.

I am sure that they can pick and choose which replies to the survey they use. But it won't stop me pointing out that a senior member of staff didn't know that sex was a protected characteristic, and that they are arguing that the law shouldn't be taught as it is written.

How can they protect those they need to, if they can miss out completely one protected characteristic?

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ValancyRedfern · 24/02/2023 19:23

Just seen your update OP. Beware, Diversity Role Models are full on gender woo. Glad to see them gettng the PCs right though!

ValancyRedfern · 24/02/2023 19:22

Well done OP. What a result! Just one person speaking out gives so many others the strength to do so as well.

Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 19:20

This is the introduction, from the survey. It isn't being done by the school. I was partially pleased to see that sex was the first protected characteristic mentioned 😉

2022/23 V2 Embracing Difference, Ending Bullying - Parent/Carer Survey
Introduction

This survey is part of the “Embracing Difference, Ending Bullying” project, which is being run by the charity Diversity Role Models, and funded by the Department for Education. The purpose of this survey is to gain an understanding of how this school tackles bullying and celebrates diversity. The completed survey will be used by Diversity Role Models to help shape the training they are providing and develop an action plan for the school.

Your answers are anonymous and confidential. Diversity Role Models will not share any individual responses with the school and will use only anonymised data or anonymised comments to help shape the support we offer your school. Participation in the survey is voluntary; if you do choose to answer the questions, please do so honestly.

This survey mentions “protected characteristics”. This refers to the characteristics which are legally protected from discrimination, in accordance with the Equality Act 2010. The protected characteristics are sex, race, disability, religion or belief, pregnancy or maternity, marriage or civil partnership, age, sexual orientation, and gender reassignment.

At the end of this survey, you will be asked a small number of demographic questions. These are optional, and you will be able to select a “prefer not to say” option if you choose not to answer. This information is anonymous and confidential. Any demographic information you provide can help us in reporting, help us to better understand your school's diversity, and compare the views and experiences of groups.

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Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 19:12

Boiledbeetle · 24/02/2023 19:07

You really are having rather an exceptional day today @Vebrithien 🍻

Yes, it has rather felt that way!

It was wonderful to meet like-minded people in Trowbridge, and then when the school questionnaire came through and mentioned protected characteristics, it felt like too much of a confidence to ignore.

The positive replies I've had as well, and that we end today with a group especially set up because we are worried, has made me feel really emotional. One of the ladies cried with relief, that there was someone else who had spoken out.

That feels pretty special, today.

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Boiledbeetle · 24/02/2023 19:07

You really are having rather an exceptional day today @Vebrithien 🍻

Boiledbeetle · 24/02/2023 19:06

WOMEN STRONGER TOGETHER❤

Vebrithien · 24/02/2023 19:02

Thank you 😊
Got the shakes this afternoon, what with all the adrenaline.

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DameMaud · 24/02/2023 18:53

"Courage calls to courage everywhere" well done OP.

nov1ce · 24/02/2023 18:04

Well done, a very excellent later and I'm really glad you've outed yourself and got support. A leader and inspirational, hats off to you. Xxx

Leafstamp · 24/02/2023 17:57

I'd not see this thread before, but I am sooo happy for you @Vebrithien !

Well done for being brave and speaking up to other parents! Courage calls to courage!

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 24/02/2023 17:54

Good work! And great that you now have some backup.

SinnerBoy · 24/02/2023 17:50

Ooh a joint formal complaint sounds promising - and not for the school. Good luck with that!