80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

Wishing you much luck. I don’t think I have ever seen these questions answered.

They do get asked.

I do remember similar posts after WiSpa.

Apart from a doubling down on intention and ‘how do you know it is an erection it could be size’ and I am not answering ‘those’ questions the crickets are still chirping and tumbleweed has fully covered the many threads, that would have amounted to pages in the hundreds…

crickets are deafening !

I think this guy was doing more than looking.
According to the police report he was helping a young girl take off her bathing suit.

Believe me, that was the civil version of my thoughts.

@BoredofthisCrap7 please, let’s keep this civil.

we have had posters defending women and children in proximity to transwomen’s exposed erections with “it was an innocent erection, don’t look”.

we can give our thoughts later. Now I would like to have didi answer first if women can get erections and if yes, if it is ok for little girls to be in the proximity to an exposed erection, however innocent.

It comes down to, should male bodied people be in the female changing rooms. I am fed up with excuses “only leaving a swim cap”, “tried to change discreetly, your own fault if you saw something”, “innocent erection”, etc.

let’s discuss everything here now and see where different people think boundaries lie

Screeching, I think we have moved on from asking about genitalia. This thread (I think) has been discussing how to tell when a transwoman has an innocent, exposed erection which is when you look away - and when someone with an exposed erection nearby might be more sinister.

I am quite keen to having this explained properly because even I, as an adult woman with multiple children don’t get this.

as a bonus, could maybe Didi elaborate on how you explain this to 9-year old girls? My default position is that a 9-year old shouldn’t see any erection at all and for avoidance of doubt, we are talking about a communal changing room where everyone gets naked and very limited amount of cubicles but I am always keen to hear other people’s views. I am trying to understand this better.

and before anyone jumps in that “this never happens” regarding erections, yes it does. Happy to post links.

Not appropriate, ever, to ask about someone’s genitalia, unless in a medical capacity.

How are police to investigate crimes such as flashing, voyeurism or sexual assault without asking about genitalia? All of these crimes involve genitalia. And of course 99% of these crimes are committed by males. With their male genitalia.

In these situations, swimming pools imparticularly. I wonder if a group of older women went into the male changing rooms and put on a pair of swimming trunks only and then went out to the pool to swim.

Do we think that YMCA staff members would chastise a man who was uncomfortable having older women who say they are male in their changing
area

We have a regular poster who has assured us not to worry. The uterus implants into males will be happening very soon.

They also couldn’t answer how experiments were going to be able to be done when experimentation on embryos could only happen until 21 days at the moment. Ethics dictated that they are destroyed by then. That may be changed to 5 weeks for stem cell research soon.

These changes have been the first for decades. And pushed due to stem cell work which has benefit to all humans.

We were told that obviously we were all pro-lifers because we were horrified that foetuses would be used as experiments for these males. That foetuses had no rights. (Ummm…. That ignored the ethics information presented completely of course.)

This the type of discussion that takes place on social media. It is rather eye opening the ignorance of female bodies, the hugely complex interaction of the female body and a foetus across multiple organs and all managed by a system males cannot have ‘installed’ and the willful exploitation of an infant at any stage of life, to be able to fulfill a male’s needs.

@Kennykenkencat stop with all that logic and common sense!

There are a small number of TW who through a clear failure in the education system seem to think that you just get a live woman to volunteer to donate their uterus (only works with a live donation) then shove it in a male abdomen and a baby will grow.

No understanding that the male abdomen has no female endocrine system so none of the necessary hormones to sustain and progress a pregnancy. Plus of course no ovaries or Fallopian tubes so no egg to be fertilised and no functional vagina linked to the uterus and no cervix.

Just search uterus transplant in Twitter to see all the delusion, or look up Jessica Alves

Thanks @Helleofabore , I think that's who I was thinking of, although there are so many awful things said by that person it's hard to remember

Wouldn’t a trans woman need an abortion should they ever get pregnant.

Whilst trans women might fully believe they are women their male bodies don’t change just because they say so.
A baby doesn’t just grow into an ever expanding “stomach” It pushes vital organs out of the way and a woman’s ribs and pelvis is designed to expand to allow the growth of the baby.
If they didn’t the result would be akin to Termite in The Boys. (Don’t google the scene if you haven’t watched it already. It is truly horrendous from start to finish in more ways than one)
A baby growing into a space that can’t get bigger will result in an abortion or risk an exploding pelvis every time.

Scientists should spend time, energy and money helping provide clean water and vaccinations to children in countries where these necessities are often in short supply - not pandering to the self indulgent delusions of a minuscule minority who are probably very privileged in many ways in comparison with millions of the world’s poorest.

Had some posters popping up here on MN telling us exactly that. Proudly.

Grace Laverty has posted on social media about how amazing It was to think one day transitioned males would be able to get abortions.

This is more common than you think.

How many parents pack their kids off to camps and holiday clubs?

Because it was mentioned upthread I asked my husband whether he would sign a consent form that allowed a male to watch a group of five year old girls change in or out of their swimmers for a holiday activity or just a regular lesson if changing was needed. He was horrified at the thought. He asked why any parent would think that was appropriate? And his is pretty accepting that TWAW.

I changed my question then to reflect that if it was a transwoman and his answer was exactly the same.

I truly wonder at parents who do agree to this.

But my question still is, did the parents know that the supervision would be by a male in the change room? I suspect no. And I suspect that YMCA pool will have some parents asking some pretty direct questions now too. And in many centres in the USA.

Despite how traumatic this has been for Julie Jaman, she has been successful in highlighting the issues here. Inadequate curtains, males supervising little girls undressing, lack of provision for females needing single sex spaces included.

Shame that perving on little girls doesn't get you banned any more.

I'm just saying how recently this identity has manifested itself. People often don't realise that males can literally decide they are women one day and immediately get access to women's spaces and jobs which should be done by women for privacy, dignity and safeguarding reasons.

“This person has identified as a woman since March this year.”

OK… and…?

This person has identified as a woman since March this year.

Would it matter if his penis was out?

This makes your blood run cold. How many parents pack their kids off to camps and holiday clubs? I know there has been some controversy about the girl guides, but I would not expect a male person (however they identify) to be in the changing room with my daughter in a public leisure centre holiday club. I wouldn't even think to ask (and in this example would be labelled as a bigot if I did).

So just another reason to deter girls from sport, aside from the more serious potential safeguarding risks. And limiting safe summer childcare options for working parents.

OMG all those bloody Pride flags in the photo

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