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80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

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Misstache · 05/08/2022 04:42

This poor woman dedicated her life to defending women and girls. She heard a male voice while in the shower at her local pool, looked out and saw a TW changing near 4 or 5 little girls while staring at them. She stepped in, asked if the TW had a penis, and got banned and the pool staff threatened to call police on her. They lied and said she said all kinds of profane things. This is so disgusting. I feel so bad for her.

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WithSilverBells · 02/07/2025 15:23

Christinapple · 02/07/2025 14:29

Any source for this other than reddux?

No, it wasn't reddux. Try again

KnottyAuty · 02/07/2025 15:19

Bobbymoore123 · 02/07/2025 10:56

What a win for all women, I've been inspired! Next time I'm in the changing room I'm going to go round asking everyone there in the changing room whether they have a penis. Of course I'll need proof from anybody who says no or else what would be the point in asking? 🤢

Apologies that would be gross and weird, as a regular terf I'll actually just be asking the people who don't conform to my sense of what a woman should look like.

🙄
Meanwhile other normal people will be looking out for creepy behaviour - but if you’re obsessed with genitals you do you

Apollo441 · 02/07/2025 15:18

Bobbymoore123 · 02/07/2025 14:10

Do you have a source for that? You don't because you've just pulled it out of your arse.

So we are the only species that after millions of years of evolution can't recognise the opposite sex, the single most important thing to ensuring the propagation of the species?
Anyway, many links to academic studies have been provided to you, so perhaps you could go away read them and try not to come across as such a rude clueless buffoon.

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 15:14

Bobbymoore123 · 02/07/2025 14:10

Do you have a source for that? You don't because you've just pulled it out of your arse.

Would you like to provide a source that female people are not likely to be able to correctly identity the sex of a male person with observation and interaction?

Otherwise, shall we repeat your sneering sentence?

"Do you have a source for that? You don't because you've just pulled it out of your arse".

ScreechingEchoChamber · 02/07/2025 14:52

FeistyCat · 02/07/2025 14:37

I really do think these men posting that women after millennia of civilisation don't know men from women have clearly lived in a very sheltered world away from civilisation. Womens lives literally depend on accurately sexing danger. I mean, this is not fucking rocket science! 🙄 It's base level common sense!

Plus name another mammalian species that cannot accurately discern which members of its own species it needs to mate with to reproduce.

SinnerBoy · 02/07/2025 14:52

Like Boiledbeetle my eyesight is waning and when I'm down the seafront, walking my dog, I can almost always tell which neutrally dressed stick figure in the distance is male and which is female.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 02/07/2025 14:51

TheOtherRaven · 02/07/2025 13:32

Quick service announcement to other women - you're absolutely welcome to question at any time what sex I am, as a lesbian I am fine with that and happy to reassure you in the aim of women's legal protections and equalities, and keeping the men the fuck out. Ask away.

Yep. Woman with short hair, here, who never wears make up, always wear trousers.

Any woman who is unsure of my sex is free to ask if I'm a woman. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

FeistyCat · 02/07/2025 14:45

As I've said before; it's the male skull and jawbone, the height, limb length, hand and feet size, gait, lack of hips, adams apple, philtrum width, etc etc etc. Males and females are SO incredibly physically different (anyone who isn't blind knows this) and the tells are so numerous, but skeletal structure really tells most of the story.

80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls
SinnerBoy · 02/07/2025 14:45

Presumably, Chris and Bobbby will now post:

Man left, woman right...

FeistyCat · 02/07/2025 14:40

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80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls
FeistyCat · 02/07/2025 14:37

I really do think these men posting that women after millennia of civilisation don't know men from women have clearly lived in a very sheltered world away from civilisation. Womens lives literally depend on accurately sexing danger. I mean, this is not fucking rocket science! 🙄 It's base level common sense!

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 14:36

ABOUT Q ANGLES

If you believe in fair competition, Emily Bridges should not be racing Laura Kenny

Owen Slot, The Times, 29th March 2022

https://archive.is/u4oSa

^www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3081c8c0-af7c-11ec-8b8c-0207c0fd6104?shareToken=dfc4c5b36b407a8e0ccc2133e718b121^

"Biomechanically, though, she still retains distinct advantages. The athletes she will be competing against have naturally wider hips. For the purposes of powering a bicycle, the crucial element here is that they will have a wider angle between the hips and the knees — this means their quads do not work so efficiently in transferring power."

Crucially, it is these angles that are quite important in understanding who is a male person and who is a female person when looking at gait, stance and other movement. All without judging a person's body based on whether they are 'woman' enough.

80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls
Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 14:31

For anyone interested, Amy E Sousa has done some videos on the recognition of sex category in humans.

https://www.theknownheretic.com/p/instinct-sos-sex-recognition

Amy Sousa is a Depth Psychology specialist. Meaning she has studied and she teaches about human instinctive behaviour.

I recommend any person who doesn’t believe that humans are likely to correctly identify the sex of other humans particularly female people recognising male people, might like to watch this.

Instinct SOS: Sex Recognition

Episode 1

https://www.theknownheretic.com/p/instinct-sos-sex-recognition

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 14:30

Here is a study done on faces

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004269892200133X

Our results indicate that facial structures with full information on the texture and color of the skin are correctly classified as to their sex by most of the participants (98.4 % for Exp. 1 and 94.6 % for Exp. 2). If we do not consider versions 3 and 5 (close to the androgyne version 4), which contain a certain degree of sex ambiguity and only consider the less ambiguous versions (1 and 2 for male faces, and 6 and 7 for female faces), the accuracy approaches the ceiling (99.9 % for Exp.1, and 99.1 % for Exp.2). This is in line with previous research which observed that natural faces, devoid of any cultural signs of sex, are generally correctly categorized into their sex

I would think that results over 90% indicate a correct assumption that most of the population can accurately identify the sex of humans from faces. However, note the difference between people correctly identifying male versions of faces vs female.

The study mentions other papers as well.

I have a link stashed away that show that babies can recognise male and female faces too.

I am really not sure when people started to believe that their inability to tell the difference between male and female people through observation and hearing voices was the norm. The research says otherwise.

Christinapple · 02/07/2025 14:29

Any source for this other than reddux?

Bobbymoore123 · 02/07/2025 14:10

FeistyCat · 02/07/2025 11:33

You clearly don't know that females are hardwired since caveman era for our survival, to spot a male, right?

Do you have a source for that? You don't because you've just pulled it out of your arse.

DameHelena · 02/07/2025 13:59

Great news! Well done Julie Jamon, and thank you Helleofabore for posting.

BuckaDuck · 02/07/2025 13:39

Bobbymoore123 · 02/07/2025 10:56

What a win for all women, I've been inspired! Next time I'm in the changing room I'm going to go round asking everyone there in the changing room whether they have a penis. Of course I'll need proof from anybody who says no or else what would be the point in asking? 🤢

Apologies that would be gross and weird, as a regular terf I'll actually just be asking the people who don't conform to my sense of what a woman should look like.

Wh6 are you obsessed with other people's genitals?

Males without a penis are not allowed in female spaces either.

Grammarnut · 02/07/2025 13:34

JenniferBarkley · 05/08/2022 06:38

Asking a stranger about their genitalia will get you banned from most respectable establishments.

If she was worried the woman was watching the children get changed, she should have challenged that, and told the staff.

By voice he was a man and it emerges that he has recently come out as trans - since trans doesn't exist that means he is a man (and transwoman = man, it's says it on the T-shirt) . What was he doing watching little girls get changed? I am a woman and I wouldn't do that!
Fwiw - and I hope I am never in such a situation - I'd have asked why he was watching the little girls and reported that a transwoman was doing this - subverting the YMCA's nasty protocols for them.
The US is so captured by this utter nonsense.

TheOtherRaven · 02/07/2025 13:32

Quick service announcement to other women - you're absolutely welcome to question at any time what sex I am, as a lesbian I am fine with that and happy to reassure you in the aim of women's legal protections and equalities, and keeping the men the fuck out. Ask away.

TheOtherRaven · 02/07/2025 13:22

Beowulfa · 02/07/2025 10:23

Looking forward to our resident scolders explaining why this is all wrong and actually it's Julie's fault for being an awful bigot.

You only had to wait 33 minutes for the facile wittering to appear in favour of men helicoptering their dicks at women and women shutting up and taking it like good girls. Now that's what I call service.

WithSilverBells · 02/07/2025 13:19

@Boiledbeetle I did similar last week. Sat in the bike park cafe after a spot of mountain biking and watched riders ride away from me on the circuit and then circle back towards me. So from behind, looking at people doing an identical activity and dressed in the usual unisex bikers' clothing I 'guessed' their sex and then checked as they circled back and I could see their faces. I correctly sexed them every time.
Bit of an odd way to pass the time, I admit, but I thought it was worth testing out the 'you can't always tell' theory while I supped my flat white.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 02/07/2025 13:09

WithSilverBells · 02/07/2025 12:40

Well let's hope that if you see a male in the female changing rooms staring at little girls while they undress you will do something, eh Bobby?

Unlikely, more probable that they'd be the ones doing the staring.

Boiledbeetle · 02/07/2025 12:57

Helleofabore · 02/07/2025 12:19

I find it interesting that we have posters who are so determined to ignore that female people have a high likelihood of correctly identifying the sex of a male person, that they will use examples where female people have correctly identified the sex of a male person as an opportunity to shame them.

We have seen it in sports regularly. Where some posters have doubled down to shame others when those other posters have actually correctly identified a male person's sex class.

It is not 'what a woman should look like.'

It is that a female person does not have male body cues that humans perceive very easily and usually accurately. But apparently, this is a forgotten skill or one to be dismissed because to correctly identify the sex of a male person requires judging the person's body cues. And this is apparently not kind or acceptable.

So female people should just lower their boundaries and not react to someone they can correct identify as being a male person in a female single sex space, because to some people, that is 'gross' and 'weird' and apparently inappropriate.

If I'm out and about sometimes I'll sit for a while in town just people watching.

My eyesight is crap these days, definitely need to make an opticians appointment, but even so I'll watch people way way off in the distance and think that's a woman, that's a man. And once they are close enough to come into focus I'm always correct.

I watched two people the other week, same height both seemed to be wearing same coloured trousers and a similar coat, both short hair etc. I'd guessed woman in the left, man on the right.

When they got close enough presentation wise there was nothing to tell them apart, they were both wearing completely identical clothes, same trainers, same jeans, same coat. Same haircut, same 5ft 6" height and build. And they were very obviously a woman on the left and a man on the right. (And as an aside I'd bet good money they'd been married 40+ years to each other!)

I don't understand why some people try to claim humans can't correctly sex other humans.

And I'm sure there will be people who will still try the "but you don't know you were correct" .

At which point all I've got in response these days is a heavy sigh, a shake of my head and to look at them in a way that conveys "you really are quite a stupid individual aren't you?" .

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