80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

I think it’s OK for a TW to use a women’s space if the establishment allows it and the TW behaved appropriately, along with all the other patrons. Go ahead and hurl abuse at me. Whatever.

So you think a male watching little girls getting undressed has behaved appropriately.

"Do you have a penis" is a ridiculous question to ask a stranger. For one thing, what if you don't believe the answer given? Are you raising your children to believe an adult can ask them about their genitals, and that they should answer? Of course not.

Every adult should challenge and report predatory behaviour, where they are safe to do so. "Why are you staring at those children getting changed", "There is an adult in the changing room staring at children changing", anything in that vein would've been more effective and more helpful.

Go ahead and hurl abuse at me. Whatever.

No you're all right thank you…

doubt anyone wants to hurl abuse at you, although whats abuse does seem to vary on this forum

I think it’s OK for a TW to use a women’s space if the establishment allows it and the TW behaved appropriately, along with all the other patrons. Go ahead and hurl abuse at me. Whatever.

Nobody is abusing you!

You are skirting around the fact that I said male.
So in your view its ok for a TW who obviously is male to be in a female changingroom standing next to little girls that are undressing so therefore in your view it's OK for all males to do that?

Penises in women only spaces are never acceptable.

""Assuming the woman's assertion was true and she didn't just hear a deep voice and put two and two together and get twenty.""

No, she put two and two together and got a big fat fucking FOUR.
In what world is it ever okay for a MAN to be in the female changing room watching young girls? And you're actually defending this?

This is just another version of the old "well, they shouldn't have been looking anyway" etc. Unbelievable.

What the hell are you defending here?
What mental gymnastics have you gone through to convince yourself that it is EVER okay for a man with a penis (or without one) to be observing children in the female changing room?
WHERE is the safeguarding?
And an (elderly) woman stands up for this and it's HER who is facing the backlash?

And the handmaidens run to the defence of the MAN?

This world is so far down the rabbit hole.

It's not a women's space if there's a man in it. It's a unisex space and unisex spaces always become male-dominated spaces. Unisex spaces exclude women.

How would this play out@Didimum? Imagine - this lady would have to get dry and dressed to some level of decency before leaving the changing room. Leaving the girls with this man. Then she has to find someone to discuss this with, someone very reluctant probably. How much time has passed now, with the girls maybe still alone with him in what their parents had likely assumed was a female-only space? By this time he's dressed and gone. And we know how they'd respond anyway - we've seen it already.

Do you have no concerns for the privacy, safety and dignity of the Girls?

“She should have reported her concerns to the management of the pool.”

Another that CBA to read the article before commenting.

There was a female employee / manager in the changing room. She expressed her concerns to this employee AFTER (correctly) first challenging the opposite-sex person she could see was watching the small children getting changed.

She made the challenge first because, you know, fucking SAFEGUARDING. And in any case, look where having “reported her concerns” got her - a scolding, whilst still nude, from the female employee, later joined by other staff.

Are you actually a mother, Didimum? In a situation where you perceive either your own, or other children, may be at risk (of any sort) is your immediate reaction to leave them whilst you go and question the pool’s policies?!

Or would you do what this woman did (what any sane adult would do) and intervene to mitigate the threat asap? For your, and everyone else’s, children’s sake I hope it’s the latter.

I think it’s OK for a TW to use a women’s space if the establishment allows it and the TW behaved appropriately, along with all the other patrons. Go ahead and hurl abuse at me. Whatever.

Its like that old poster I used to have :

Psychopaths Are Human Too.

Yes they are . But certain precautions are advisable...

We will not tolerate bias, hatred, or discrimination that leads to the oppression of individuals or communities. We will ensure sustained and meaningful progress toward equity and human dignity for all

Isn’t that the very opposite of what they are doing or is it just another lie.

The pool staff seem to be making things up to justify their behaviour.
Can you trust anything they say as the lies seem to be tripping off the tongue so easily
I wonder what else they lie about

It's complete cognitive dissonance.

• a male staff member dressed in a swimsuit was observed in the womens changing rooms engaging with a group of female children getting undressed.

In what world does everyone go 'oh how nice, she's entitled to be there because she's being her true self. I think it's good that those female children get to see that everyone is who and what they say they are and living their true lives'.

Fucks sake, safeguarding used to actually be a thing, do we just not care anymore?

Such a well articulated piece. Who could argue against it?

Totally agree that any kind of public changing room for women that allows males in needs to make this very clear.

I guess such a sign would potentially upset these males because they think they’re women, and God forbid we cause men who want to use women’s changing areas any upset. Their feelings are paramount, right, @JenniferBarkley and @Didimum ?

This is just another example of how women are being silenced. I’m always intrigued when they’d at that women are going against the science. What science exactly?

No signage was up to tell anyone that males could be in the female changing room. So very few, if any, people knew that.

If this policy is to be enacted, it needed to be enacted clearly. Very clearly.

That didn't answer my question Didimum

I said do you think it is OK for a male to be in a female changing room standing next to little girls who are undressing. It is a yes or no answer.

@JenniferBarkley but it wasn't a woman was it? It was, in fact, a MAN WATCHING LITTLE GIRLS GET CHANGED!

On what planet is that ok?!

I don’t believe a man with a penis or a TW with a penis, or anyone else, is a ‘pervert’ on the basis one person perceiving the individual to be ‘looking’. The pool allows TW (pre operative or other) to use the women’s changing space. If the elderly woman didn’t agree with that or had concerns then her course of action should be to bring it up with the pool or whatever the equivalent is of her local council. Not to ask what someone’s genitalia is.

Didn’t you see the twitter advice from Laurie Penny, a well known feminist? Little girls should turn their head away if in the presence of a penis in view.

And all this talk about, not asking about the penis, pps have already explained this perfectly. By reducing humans to their body parts, you are insisting that penises be part of the discussion.

To admonish a woman asking if a person had a penis when this is the result of this forced language, is obviously an act of silencing.

I’m so shocked by what you’ve written. It’s appalling. The whole school management has been brainwashed.

Re the school not acknowledging your concerns: are you going to take this further? The board of governors? LEA?

Are you going to keep your kids there?

I'm really concerned about the news that pride flags mean that I should know that female changings room may have men in. I didn't know that. So the whole of the month of pride I shouldn't have used my leisure centre? Someone should have made that clear to me. Next pride month, I'll ask for a refund on my fees in that case. And I won't be going into the office as that's permanently festooned with pride flags.

As Jennifer didn’t answer my questions, maybe Didimum will answer.

So we will know the acceptable words and procedure to use if we believe a girl, or boy, is in immediate risk of harm (including if we have decades of safeguarding experience and experience dealing with abused women and children)

Whether the TW was looking at the kids or not, this male shouldn’t be in a female changing room