80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

Oh. And just how much more egregious the actions of the woman reporting were vs the male and organisation involved.

I am seeing a replay of the threads we had with the WiSpa incident here.

Only the one time.
It is just one woman’s account of what happened.
How dare anyone say this male should not be in the changing room when a group of young girls are getting changed.
There is a ‘right’ way to complain and anything other is wrong and not worthy of consideration.
The inability to show how the process suggested works in a real life incident.

It is like deja vu.

I can change my top with my back to people and not expose my breasts. A man or TW can change their underwear or shorts etc without exposing their penis – and the 'exposure' part here is important to clarify whether it is deliberate exposure to cause distress and harm or simply getting changed. If the facility allows non-surgically altered TW into the space, then that's to bring up to the facility. Regardless, on that thread mentioned, I said the TW in question should have used the private cubicle as they were directed to do under the given policy.

There will be parents who were all be kind when they realized Clementine was working with little girls at the pool. Now they know Clementine is watching their little girls get naked, I expect they'll feel differently. Just like with the Wii Spa and college woman's swimming. People who thought there was no harm and it didn't affect them anyway. Once they see that be kind can affect them they'll start on their way to a higher elevation.

So?

A fully clothed male should still not be there.

Why are people so keen to allow males to be around little girls getting changed. Why do males need this "right"

The TW was not naked or exposing their penis.

over50

We know as fact that there was an adult male present (I believe stood next to them) in the female changing room while several young girls were undressing. What other facts does there need to be to make that ok in your view?

Agree with this.

Also the article is only giving the story of one person and it seems most people are preferring to read her version of events. To get a true picture it would need the report of all people involved including the mother of the small children and any bystanders. It’s not good reporting.

There seem to be two separate themes running here.

1. The transwoman is male and should not be in the female changing facilities
2. Nobody, of any sex, should be watching young girls get changed. However, the likelihood of this happening is greatly increased by the presence of male people in the female changing facilities.

I bet the staff would not have banned a 20 year old or 30 year old woman, not that it would have been right if they had.

If someone has their dick out in front of me I have the right to ask them about it. It being impolite to talk about peoples genitals only applies when their genitals aren't in my face

Oh. Thanks.

Some of the posters on this thread make me physically ill.
How many girls and women have to be sacrificed because some people insist that gender ideology trumps biology?
It is not a safe world for females any longer….

I wouldn't expect any clarity from people who, on another recent thread, tried to argue that "naked from the waist down" didn't necessarily mean that the person had their penis exposed.

That's the kind of reasoning we are dealing with here.

I'm not even sure his penis is so much the issue for me. His sex is. The stats fluctuate but I think last time I checked 96% of sex offenders were male (by which I mean XY chromosomes). The chances of any of those girls even being looked at in a sexually predatory way by women is very low. Their chances of being assaulted or even feeling uncomfortable being seen naked by other women is extremely low. The minute a male-sexed person enters that space, it rockets. Which is why we separate changing rooms by sex.

Didimum

No worries. As I said as long as it is clear for all those on the thread and reading.

@HooverIsAlwaysBroken

it seems that you are ok with a penis person to watch little girls change as long as the little girls cannot see the exposed penis of the penis person?

The pertinent claim in your question is 'to watch little girls' not whether the person has a penis that can be seen or not. Yet again, the claim of 'watching' was made by one person, which, in my view, should have been reported correctly (you do not have to share that view) to be investigated properly. You've then got three issues – whether the pool allows people to 'watch people get unchanged', whether they allow TW into their women's changing spaces and whether they deal with reported unconcerns appropriately.

Come on @Helleofabore , let’s explore different views here. We can talk about safeguarding later. I don’t want anyone to feel uncomfortable on this board. Everyone welcome and let’s figure this out.

I am very interested in what @Didimum considers to be acceptable for penis people (see how inclusive I am, no gender assumed at all, a bit like cervix havers). I am trying to figure out if it is ok if penis people just watch little girls change as long as they are dressed themselves. That is what I believe I am getting but trying to confirm.

it could also be that it is ok as long as the little girls aren’t too close to an exposed penis?

or distance to exposed penis doesn’t matter as long as it is a female penis?

On this planet, sadly. Fucking shit, isn't it? 😡

Sorry, have I missed something? Was there a woman watching children? All I can glean from the information provided is that there was a man watching the children!

And for the record, I don't give a shit about his penis status. If he wasn't born a woman (girl: but woman trips off the tongue better), he's a man!

No, we know you're not here to discuss anything, just to point and shout. School holidays, eh?

So – again – not naked then. I was merely pointing out that you made an error in your description. It is appropriate to be dressed in a bathing suit in a swimming pool. I understand the followup debate of 'male in a female changing space' – but if that's the pool's policy, then that's to take up with the pool.

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Yes I took your correction on board the first time. Thanks for pointing it out a second time.

As a poster who isn't passing any judgement on the actions of the lovely TW in the story and so desperate to remain apparently neutral I'm hearted that you notice and point out the missteps of women as swiftly as you do.

Nope. Not here to discuss that. Have a pleasant day. I don't really care if you think an argument is 'weak' or not.

fucking hell, I honestly can’t actually believe what I’ve just read!!