Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

Amy has the Bestestest glasses on Twitter. I'm very jealous.
Hope she's doing well and sense prevails.

i've applied to have access to view the hearing

as a pp says, having a bunch of international watchers may concentrate people's minds

a number of journalists logged into the LGBA one. How excellent would it be if some logged into this one?

Is k d lang canadian?

Perhaps she is a fan of e e cummings.

But I doubt it somehow.

Are the Canadians going to have to tell us what the third sex is then? If the legal argument is being made that it is discriminatory to state there are only two sexes, for a judge to make a ruling that is indeed the case, surely evidence of the existence of more than two sexes must be brought? I am agog.

Also, in all seriousness, while the UK isn’t exactly paradise, if Amy’s case fails, if you look at the grounds for seeking asylum in the UK, I think she might qualify. The Forstater Ruling protecting gender critical views in the same way as religious beliefs seems absurd on the one hand; but if, on the other, it were to allow people from Canada to seek asylum here (as a last resort!) it might wake more people up.

(And yes, we should, as a priority, be establishing safe routes for asylum seekers from several other countries; the UK government has behaved abominably; the country is neither full nor a preferred destination for asylum seekers; but due to my neither being in government nor having magic powers - & thus being unable to effect policy change of any kind - I have posited the above. Just in case anyone was itching to have a wokescold about the audacity of daring suggest that someone with the right to seek asylum should they wish do so because they’re not The Right Type Of Asylum Seeker.

My use of the conditional with regards to asylum grounds & Canadians who don’t believe in gender was because there’s no precedent. And things get Political. Canadians are of course also more likely than most asylum seekers to be able to move here to work - 1 in 10 nursing roles in NHS England are currently unfilled, apparently, so…)

Good luck Amy. Here's hoping that the judge is sane and just being polite. Some of us would actively prefer medical professionals who believe in biology.

(And yes MoltenLasagna, a and fund would be a fine idea .)

bell hooks is the most famous example of using only lower-case letters. I don't know the rationale behind it

I think it's a Canadian thing, there was something about the law being that refusing to use someone's preferred pronouns is an actual hate crime.

They are knee deep in it. Particularly some of the soft comments from Canadian parents I've seen around the infamous shop teacher.

Good luck Amy 💪💚🤍💜

bf also identifies that she uses lowercase letters

What is that all about? Is it another identity thing or cultural.
I've never seen it before.

Omg that's not good if the Chair is a pronoun person. I do some work for one of the healthcare regulators in the UK and I have never heard anyone announce pronouns or be invited to announce pronouns in a hearing before. I wonder if that's standard practice in Canada or if it depends on the Chair's own beliefs.

A tweet from the live tweeting from @goinglikeelsie who also did the Yaniv court cases, gives a flavour of what Amy is up against:

https://twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1572666165994074113?s=46&t=1wZ-I24n0SZAFaTFtsQB7g

Chair asks lawyers to introduce themselves and invites them to share their pronouns.

For the College:

Michael Seaborn, He/Him
Brent Olthuis, He/Him
barbara findlay She/Her

bf also identifies that she uses lowercase letters

In defence of the phrasing, usually the "identifying yourself as" phrase is used because you tell people you are a nurse/doctor whatever, and people give more weight to your statements as a result. It's the difference between saying "that's a spider bite, go to A&E" and "that's a spider bite, go to A&E and I'm a nurse". In the second statement the person has identified themselves to their hearer as a nurse.

Professionals with particular qualifications like lawyers, doctors, nurses etc have a higher standard applied to what they say when they also state their qualifications, aka identifying themselves as that particular qualified role.

Best of luck to Amy. When I read these cases I often think that alongside a fund for lawyers, there ought to be a gin and chocolate cake fund for the actual women caught up in such nonsense.

And good luck Amy!

The phrase in the charge sheet truly takes us in to Alice-in-Wonderland territory "while identifying yourself as a nurse or nurse educator". So your reality is just 'identification'; trans identification is reality. Boggling.

Brain blown.

What does one have to do to identify as a medical professional in Canada? Med school seems an expensive waste of time in Canada these days... If only all those silly students had realised they didn't need to qualify as anything, they simply needed to identify!

I read last night that one of the lawyers for the college nursing is called barbara findlay - NOT Barbara Findlay. She literally identifies as having a lower case name. Bonkers.

The phrase in the charge sheet truly takes us in to Alice-in-Wonderland territory "while identifying yourself as a nurse or nurse educator". So your reality is just 'identification'; trans identification is reality. Boggling.

Good luck Amy and huge thanks for taking this on in such a hostile climate. You are an inspiration. ✊

I doubt Amy will see this, but sending her best wishes anyway.

It's absolutely terrifying that she is being put through this.

Good luck, Amy.

Best wishes Amy, keep strong 💐

Placemarking

I just wanted to bump this thread because Amy's hearing starts today. I don't know if you're reading this, Amy, but if you are, we send you our solidarity and good wishes.

Amy, what an amazing woman. Thank you Icake for posting this