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Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

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IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2022 12:57

I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering Flowers, she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

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IcakethereforeIam · 30/11/2023 11:58

This surprised me, and apparently the author too. An article written by someone who says they are trans (I'm assuming a tw, but could be a regular woman with an interesting hair colour 😉) that's generally supportive of Amy, if a little patronising.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/i-dont-agree-with-amy-hamm-but-i-was-wrong-about-her-fight-for-free-speech

With comments!!

Julia Malott: I don't agree with Amy Hamm. But I was wrong about her fight for free speech

While provocative, there has been nothing in the nurse's comments on transgender policies that warrant censure

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/i-dont-agree-with-amy-hamm-but-i-was-wrong-about-her-fight-for-free-speech

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Signalbox · 20/11/2023 07:56

Cailin66 · 20/11/2023 07:48

That account is deleted?

I think Amy is on a Twitter break.

Cailin66 · 20/11/2023 07:48

IcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2023 13:07

Amy tweeted a picture of a quilt a retired midwife made her, it's absolutely beautiful

https://twitter.com/preta_6/status/1723492904604471598?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

That account is deleted?

IcakethereforeIam · 19/11/2023 21:45

Reproduced with kind permission of @howdoesatoastermaketoast

For Amy

“I stand with Amy Hamm” is trending, p'raps at last the lie is ending.
She's the nurse they think so horrid, (though far from clear on what she did).
They say she must be ruled unfit, cannot her job perform if it
Is not the case that she agrees, a man can change sex if he please.

There are two points of view it seems, the world's dividing into teams.
Both sides are sure, it’s fair to say. T’the others true outright dismay.
Amy they say must be unfit, cannot her job perform if it
Is not the case that she agrees, a man can change sex if he please.

It’s difficult to understand why p’ple would insist she’s banned
And cannot practise her career, but ‘tis the case they make it clear.
Amy they say must be unfit, cannot her job perform if it
Is not the case that she'll agree, people are what they wish to be.

They do not ask if up is down , they do not ask if red is brown,
they do not ask if water’s wet , but no less crazy does it get.
Amy is asked in many ways, same question in a diff’rent phrase.
It is the case do you agree, people are what they wish to be?

Under oath she's kindly stated, firmly, gently, but clearly said;
a male person, a good nurse knows, stays male. That's just how it goes.
Amy is asked in many ways, same question in a diff’rent phrase.
Just which men will you agree become women and to what degree?

So under oath she plainly swears, women exist and people care.
There are two types of human being, no matter what a man finds freeing.
They say a nurse cannot perform, unless agreeing sex is worn.
Just which men will you agree become women and to what degree?

It may still be that sex is real, doesn't matter it's how you feel.
Identity is all there is, so you adjust whatever his.
They say a nurse cannot perform, unless agreeing sex is worn.
Would she perhaps kindly agree, a woman's not anatomy.

Women's a word we've redefined and Amy gets it wrong you’ll find.
She keeps keeping on quite rudely, speaking facts so very crudely.
They say she's too unkind, a stress, cannot her job perform unless...
would she perhaps kindly agree, a woman's not anatomy.

It's a sense anyone can claim, accessories and acts and fame.
Procedures that're undertaken, unwanted sex can be shaken.
They say she's too unkind, a stress, cannot her job perform unless...
she will declare it true indeed, that woman's not a word we need.

To mean anything specific, meaningless words are terrific.
It seems they have not realised, bodies are not homogenised.
So sure and certain they are right, they fight a nurse with all their might
so she'll declare it true indeed, that woman's not a word we need.

Amy's through and cannot bear it, had enough and dares to share it.
Thinks for herself and refuses, to lie, deny and so chooses
to risk it all defending truth, to risk it all defending youth.
It is the case she will not lie, maintains that women signify.

Woman is a word we still need, to understand the girls who bleed.
Not all bodies are just the same, it doesn't matter what you claim.
A nurse must know her patients sex, reality is not pretext.
A nurse cannot her job perform, if we all forget this norm.

howdoesatoastermaketoast (Nov. 2023)

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IcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2023 16:41

Amy is wonderful, but like many who have found themselves at the front line of this...stupid battle she's an unremarkable remarkable woman. Amy, Maya, Doc Stock, Moira Deeming, Rosie Duffield*, brilliant women just doing their jobs and thrown into the spotlight because they were brave enough to say 'no' to fuckwits.

*amongst others.

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fallfallfall · 12/11/2023 15:27

Ongoing positive thoughts for Amy

AlisonDonut · 12/11/2023 15:00

Thanks for this, I lost track this week when JC was giving evidence. Isn't Amy wonderful?

IcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2023 13:30

One more.

Link to Tribunal Tweets substack with more links to tweet threads covering the last days of testimony and a bunch of other stuff.

WARNING ⚠️ some of the threads mis-font BF completely 😢

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/british-columbia-college-of-nurses

It seems the decision should be reached early in the new year.

British Columbia College of Nurses and Midwives vs Amy Hamm

This hearing is not being covered by Tribunal Tweets but by concerned Canadians, tweeting as @goinglikeelsie, @ellementrogue and @ShannonBDouglas. Also of interest tweets from We are following the hearing and will post roll ups of her tweets here. We h...

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/british-columbia-college-of-nurses

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IcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2023 13:22

Don't know how I missed this. Longish article summarising Amy's testimony. Seems very supportive of her. Also has an article on Cantor's testimony. Barbara Findlay mis-fonted throughout 😁

https://www.newwesttimes.com/news/the-battle-for-sex-church-of-gender-versus-amy-hamm/article_d300e482-7f69-11ee-b965-7b68788b9076.html

Article on Dr Cantor (to be read at a gallop?)

https://www.newwesttimes.com/news/hamm-hearing-hijinks-dr-james-cantor-debunks-affirmative-care/article_6e5fa028-72e8-11ee-9ec3-2f4d180024a9.html#tncms-source=article-nav-next

And this just for fun. Covers Amy Hamm, Jordan Peterson and other shenanigans in Canadian health care.

https://www.newwesttimes.com/news/why-canada-s-health-colleges-can-t-win-the-fights-they-picked-with-jordan-peterson/article_24b3f0b4-6f87-11ee-a097-67c290562d1a.html#tncms-source=article-nav-next

I'll stop now.

The Battle for Sex; Church of Gender Versus Amy Hamm

It’s a holy war.

https://www.newwesttimes.com/news/the-battle-for-sex-church-of-gender-versus-amy-hamm/article_d300e482-7f69-11ee-b965-7b68788b9076.html

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Signalbox · 09/11/2023 21:31

JellyJazzy · 09/11/2023 21:11

Does anyone have any thoughts as to the likelihood of AH being disciplined or losing her job or profession over this? I don't understand the Canadian employment tribunal /legal framework around it because it just seems like she's speaking sense. Anyone with any inside knowledge of the Canadian system?

My understanding is that the Council tried to get her to agree to a 2 week suspension and social media training which she refused and that is why she’s ended up having to face a full hearing.

If the Canadian system is anything like the UK system and If her fitness to practise is found to be impaired I think her difficulty will be lack of insight and refusal to accept any “re-education” required of her. She’ll potentially end up with a much worse sanction if she doesn’t admit wrongdoing and show some remorse.

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JellyJazzy · 09/11/2023 21:11

Does anyone have any thoughts as to the likelihood of AH being disciplined or losing her job or profession over this? I don't understand the Canadian employment tribunal /legal framework around it because it just seems like she's speaking sense. Anyone with any inside knowledge of the Canadian system?

IcakethereforeIam · 09/11/2023 12:12
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pickledandpuzzled · 09/11/2023 12:04

I’m getting new adverts on this thread- ‘never too late to get into nursing!’. Not sure whether they want more terfy nurses, or are just misreading the room 😁

LarkLane · 09/11/2023 10:17

Amy Eileen Hamm@preta_6·
FollowThings I’ve testified under oath:

Women don’t have penises
Lesbians don’t have penises
Males cannot be lesbians
Males calling themselves lesbians are heterosexual men
Homosexuality is same sex attraction
You cannot literally change your sex
Your sex is not “assigned” at birth

https://twitter.com/preta_6?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1721997417149870569%7Ctwgr%5Ec5664fb3c41862bb0e5a0e6b6d754d773366a73e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Funherd.com%2Fthepost%2Flegal-ordeal-continues-for-nurse-who-backed-j-k-rowling%2F

IcakethereforeIam · 09/11/2023 09:33

Eliza Mondegreen sums up the case to date in Unherd

https://unherd.com/thepost/legal-ordeal-continues-for-nurse-who-backed-j-k-rowling/

There's a hyperlink to Bufo's page about themselves. It's full of folk/folks, she's much older than I imagined, so perhaps the blue hair is actually a traditional blue rinse à la Mrs Slocombe?

Three years! This dangerous woman, who's been allowed to keep working (such is the danger). In fact, that should be the defence, 'if I'm so dangerous, why was I permitted to keep working?'.

Legal ordeal continues for nurse who backed J.K. Rowling

Canadian nurse Amy Hamm first learnt she was under investigation three years ago this month for making “discriminatory and derogatory statements regarding transgender people, while identifying [her]self as a nurse or nurse educator”. The British Columb...

https://unherd.com/thepost/legal-ordeal-continues-for-nurse-who-backed-j-k-rowling

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Signalbox · 08/11/2023 21:31

chilling19 · 08/11/2023 18:53

OK, well that was very interesting.

Canada now has some solid arguments on the record that will need strong rebuttals which are evidenced based. So look forward to that.

Well done Amy, I am sure Canada will thank you.

I never thought I would hear myself saying that employment tribunals are really interesting, but they really are!

Thanks to the nest of vipers for the company - I never thought I would hear myself saying that employment tribunals are interesting, but they really are when in such knowledgeable (and at times hilarious) company👏👏👏

Ditto. Thanks for the company :)

Signalbox · 08/11/2023 21:30

PaleBlueMoonlight · 08/11/2023 21:01

So did Linda Blade not give any oral evidence?

She did but not in cross- examination.

CyberCritical · 08/11/2023 21:27

Just caught up on Twitter as had to miss today, this guy has been summarising as they go x.com/shannonbdouglas/status/1722298480259928507?s=61&t=_4AjlXbi-cbNgW2ZGAXrpQ

PaleBlueMoonlight · 08/11/2023 21:01

So did Linda Blade not give any oral evidence?

fallfallfall · 08/11/2023 19:41

i sure hope the expert witnesses were recorded or "court" documented as i would like to listen/watch or read what they said.
sadly i was unavailable to watch this morning.

chilling19 · 08/11/2023 18:53

OK, well that was very interesting.

Canada now has some solid arguments on the record that will need strong rebuttals which are evidenced based. So look forward to that.

Well done Amy, I am sure Canada will thank you.

I never thought I would hear myself saying that employment tribunals are really interesting, but they really are!

Thanks to the nest of vipers for the company - I never thought I would hear myself saying that employment tribunals are interesting, but they really are when in such knowledgeable (and at times hilarious) company👏👏👏

desiringtoremainsane · 08/11/2023 18:37

College calling no Rebuttal witnesses.