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Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

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IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2022 12:57

I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering Flowers, she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

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chilling19 · 18/03/2024 20:55

Let's examine the tweets shall we?

ILikeDungs · 18/03/2024 20:53

Lots of questions about closing statement and "not put into evidence" inclusions

nauticant · 18/03/2024 20:48

Current argument by Seaborn for the College is that if any transwoman feels uncomfortable with any medical professional, the transwoman's feelings are all, and you can then sanction the medical professional. In other words, you hand the power to transwomen to permit or prevent medical professionals to practice. With that being based simply on their, but no one else's, feelings.

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 18/03/2024 20:37

Oh they're back now.

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 18/03/2024 20:36

Been catching up while they're on lunch. Then I decided I needed some light relief and watched TikTok nonsense for a while.

What time are they back?

Oh and this video of an English woman watching an American make Lime Jello salad is funny

https://www.tiktok.com/@claraabattenen/video/7330015880316767521?isfrommwebapp=1&senderdevice=pc&webb_id=7347803758779631136

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 18/03/2024 20:19

Placemarking

fallfallfall · 18/03/2024 19:41

i guess i should have expected that the college would close with a strong statement on the colleges 100% all in, all inclusive view, and any form of non acceptance to the trans agenda would be harmful to the publics opinion of nursing. it's heartbreaking but i think the odds are stacked against amy. even though from a care perspective biology plays a massive role.

nauticant · 18/03/2024 19:30

Break for lunch and on resuming the panel have questions for the College.

nauticant · 18/03/2024 19:29

It's because the case law isn't settled for a case having the particular circumstances of AH's case.

chilling19 · 18/03/2024 19:28

If the case law is already settled how did Amy's case go forward? Surely the existence of this case means that it isn't actually settled?

nauticant · 18/03/2024 19:27

At least Seaborn for the College is being clear and isn't relying on emotional blackmail, ie that institutions like the College have the right to control the speech of the members of the College, and that legally this is a well-trodden area.

nauticant · 18/03/2024 19:24

bf is finished. Seaborn, to follow, said he'd be done in 10 minutes.

chilling19 · 18/03/2024 19:23

Thank God she has finished.

Signalbox · 18/03/2024 19:23

fallfallfall · 18/03/2024 19:20

please someone tell me ah's lawyer will have an opportunity to speak.

Yes, these are the closing submissions of the college of nursing.
Amy's counsel will go second.

ILikeDungs · 18/03/2024 19:22

...Respondent wants to challenge the entire Canadian research institutions...

Yes. Yes she should. While 'identifying as a nurse'.

nauticant · 18/03/2024 19:21

At this rate we'll be hearing from them in the Autumn.

chilling19 · 18/03/2024 19:21

fallfallfall · 18/03/2024 19:20

please someone tell me ah's lawyer will have an opportunity to speak.

I think Amy's side closes tomorrow

fallfallfall · 18/03/2024 19:20

please someone tell me ah's lawyer will have an opportunity to speak.

ILikeDungs · 18/03/2024 19:08

Canada is indeed a hellhole.

My sister (still in Canada) was crying last time I spoke to her on skype over the state of it.

nauticant · 18/03/2024 19:06

It effectively doesn't happen ILikeDungs, because it's a sort of ambush. Counsel know that pissing off the judge/panel is a bad idea. Also, it throws some shade on the line of argument being advanced.

Signalbox · 18/03/2024 19:04

chilling19 · 18/03/2024 19:02

Canada is indeed a hellhole. Also has it been established that anything Amy said is transphobic?

I think that'll be for the panel to determine. If this case was in the UK I think it would go the same way as the Rachel Meade case. If Amy loses I hope she appeals. Perhaps she could be Canada's Forstater.

chilling19 · 18/03/2024 19:02

Canada is indeed a hellhole. Also has it been established that anything Amy said is transphobic?

ILikeDungs · 18/03/2024 18:56

nauticant · 18/03/2024 18:55

Unsurprisingly, the chair of the panel has had to interject for a second time to point out that bf is relying on authorities that she has not previously notified to the panel that would be forming part of her case.

How unusual is this? I don't recall that happening in other cases

nauticant · 18/03/2024 18:55

Unsurprisingly, the chair of the panel has had to interject for a second time to point out that bf is relying on authorities that she has not previously notified to the panel that would be forming part of her case.

nauticant · 18/03/2024 18:54

Listening to bf's citing of case law makes Canada sound like a Hellhole for those wanting to have free speech outside of very narrow parameters of what right-thinking people are permitted to think and say.

That said, I'd not be so minded to believe what she says.