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Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

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IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2022 12:57

I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering Flowers, she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

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DrBlackbird · 18/08/2025 22:16

BundleBoogie · 18/08/2025 21:51

This is awful and just shows now badly captured Canada is. They have some particularly unpleasant but powerful men who demand everyone pretend they are women while hating us intensely. The authorities seem to have an issue with basic facts.

I hope thousands of sane and horrified Canadians are still contributing to her crowd funder mentioned in the article above.

So captured that v few people in Canada are hearing these stories. They don’t make mainstream media. It’s like a blanket of silence on all things trans has descended.

BundleBoogie · 18/08/2025 21:51

This is awful and just shows now badly captured Canada is. They have some particularly unpleasant but powerful men who demand everyone pretend they are women while hating us intensely. The authorities seem to have an issue with basic facts.

I hope thousands of sane and horrified Canadians are still contributing to her crowd funder mentioned in the article above.

miri1985 · 18/08/2025 21:02

The costs are so vindictive. If you knew someone was appealing to a higher court would you not want to show that you had been completely fair and that you could point to other cases where similar costs had been incured. It gives the veneer of wanting to make sure other women don't take similar cases or step out of line.

I hope Amy is successful in her appeal but Canada is so captured.

DrBlackbird · 18/08/2025 08:45

If you read the panel notice, there are ‘similar’ cases cited including a nurse illegally writing prescriptions who received a reprimand and $500 fine and a lawyer who threatened a SW with shooting her received a two week ban and $8000 in costs. Both actions obviously deemed to be less ‘wrong’ than Amy’s concerns for women’s rights.

Plus, the nursing college’s expert witnesses do a nice line in offering their services. Dr Greta Bauer was paid $66,000 for her one report. There were two more expert reports with these three reports being one reason Amy’s costs were so astronomical.

This is Greta being interviewed: This has allowed me to see the direct impact of my work on, for example, funding for gender-affirming surgeries, explicit human rights protections for gender identity and expression, changes in data collection through Statistics Canada, and requirements for physicians to provide effective referrals where physician beliefs prevent provision of care.

Transgenderism is firmly firmly rooted in the medical world in North America.

What’s interesting is that friends in the US and in Canada both claimed there was nothing about GI in their countries ie cases of young people having surgery or TW in women’s spaces just don’t get mentioned in liberal media (they wouldn’t be listening to conservative news).

It is incredible to me, still, how the idea that people can be ‘born in the wrong body’ and that having life altering surgery with side effects of infertility is just so acceptable to those in the healthcare field.

Edited for clarity

UtopiaPlanitia · 17/08/2025 23:22

That fine is unbelievably vindictive. The investigation process has been vengeful and designed to break Amy and force her compliance. These panel members are the modern version of the Inquisition, feeling superior in their own holiness and happy to condemn heretics to torture and pain.

I can't believe I once deeply wanted to emigrate to Canada, if this is how they treat non-conformists then I'm so glad I didn't get the chance.

MarieDeGournay · 22/07/2025 21:09

Justsaynonow · 22/07/2025 17:23

That's good news, good luck to Amy! Maybe she will become the Canadian MayaSmile

FlowchartRequired · 01/04/2025 09:04

Has the tweet been removed? I get a 'retry' when I follow the link above and Nitter says 'not found'.

fromorbit · 01/04/2025 08:00

She kept the receipts;

Amy Eileen Hamm
https://x.com/preta_6/status/190601714404494959

Back in November 2023, I was punished with an unpaid suspension from
VCHhealthcare. This is the letter they sent to me. I was terrified at the time and desperate to save my job. But I knew I couldn’t be silenced, as that would be a far greater punishment.

Amy Eileen Hamm

I've had more trans patients than I can recall. Isn't it funny how I have been a punching bag for BCnursemidwife and VCHhealthcare
-- and yet not a single patient has EVER complained about me, or come forward because they recognize me, after all the publicity?

https://x.com/preta_6/status/190601714404494959

AlisonDonut · 28/03/2025 08:21

So many people who lose their jobs over this utter nonsense just go on to bigger and better things, with the added fire of rage.

SinnerBoy · 28/03/2025 07:30

Thanks for the article criticising her hearing, Cakey.

fromorbit · 28/03/2025 05:47

SopranoPipistrelle · 28/03/2025 01:44

Is there anything Carney has said or done that indicates he's a true believer?

I haven't done a deep dive but a brief google has come up with this video from a trans/queer perspective essentially complaining that Carney has never made any supportive statements at all about trans or gender identity issues, which isn't really surprising given his banking background. But they are wanting him to make public affirmations of support like Trudeau did.

https://xtramagazine.com/video/mark-carney-lgbtq-stance-271712

The Xtra video doesn't mention Carney's daughter at all, but there's another Mumsnet thread about her apparent trans identification and activism (not sure if that's still current for her) but we know from parents on here that having a trans identifying or gender identity believing child doesn't necessarily mean the parents are true believers. It may well mean that he is compromised (which may well amount to the same outcome as a true believer), but I don't think we can infer anything about his true feelings and beliefs about gender from his daughter. Many parents/families don't "believe" that sex is irrelevant or their child has changed sex in the way their children want them to believe but they don't want to lose their relationship with their child, so there are all kinds of complex family dynamics. Without any evidence I don't think we can know his true feelings or beliefs.

A naively hopeful part of me is hoping that not having gender as a front and centre issue being pushed by the government itself (including if the Liberals win - I do think the lack of public statements and Trudeau style cheerleading on gender stuff is positive even it's a tiny step) and gender identity stuff getting less funding in a tighter economy might mean that there will be a slow burn effect where Canada begins to catch up with the UK and Europe, with pediatric gender medicine at least, and come to a more sane position. Unfortunately in reality I know that's probably much too over optimistic!

Sadly it's more likely that the women's rights and child safeguarding situation in Canada will just stay the same even if gender identity issues get less attention than before, and that's regardless of whether Carney is a true believer, compromised because of family relationships, or because the economy and sovereignty are unsurprisingly his main election focus due to the current situation with the US and his professional background in central banking.

Aha good points, I am leaping to conclusions as you say. Looking into it I can't find any statements, but one actual action Carney took so far is very very interesting:

In his first major move as Canada’s prime minister, Mark Carney eliminated roughly a third of all cabinet positions, including the crucially important Minister of Women and Gender Equality. This decision marks a major setback for women’s rights in Canada at a time when these rights are under threat around the world.

Carney, sworn in as prime minister on Friday, has justified the trimmed-down cabinet as a “smaller, experienced cabinet” positioned to move fast and secure Canada’s economy in the face of US President Donald Trump’s trade war with Canada and other threats...

The role of Minister of Women and Gender Equality has existed in various forms since 1971. Under former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the minister was tasked with developing a 10-year National Action Plan to End Gender-Based Violence and Canada’s first 2SLGBTQI+ (Two-Spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and intersex) Action Plan, as well as supporting all ministers in advancing gender equality, particularly as it relates to economic participation and poverty reduction.

Note the Department remains it is just no longer in Cabinet.

So that clearly indicates that Carney doesn't think gender/sex in any form is that important. Carney hasn't officially moved to end the existing agenda, but it is certainly not a priority for him, but also he thinks women are not important either.

Carney's daughter thought she wasn't a woman in 2019. Lots of detail here, but obviously we don't know what he thinks:

"In a world that divides people into male and female, Sasha Carney doesn’t identify as either gender"
https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Yale-gives-students-3-gender-choices-not-all-CT-13579996.php

While there are indications that both main leaders may want to avoid the gender wars given that it is a Parliamentary campaign and the Conservative party as a whole want to end the medical experimentation on kids I think it is going to come up. Especially as Alberta has already taken action to end it and that has led to a legal fight.

Current Conservative party policy is very clear:
92. Protecting Children’s Mental and Physical Health
A Conservative government will protect children by prohibiting life altering medicinal or surgical interventions on minors under 18 to treat gender confusion or dysphoria, and encourage positive mental and physical health support for all Canadians suffering from gender dysphoria and related mental health challenges.

It is very likely that pro TA journalist will try to put Carney on the spot especially as it has implications for relations with Trump. There will be two election debates on TV it may come up there. So one way or another it is going to come up in the campaign. Obviously the campaign will be decided over the economy, but culture issues will play a part.

SopranoPipistrelle · 28/03/2025 01:44

MangyInseam · 27/03/2025 22:16

I'm afraid it's unlikely to come up. I think Carney and Pollievre are both staying away from it as it's a losing proposition on both sides.

PP I think gets the issue and at least would not make things worse. MC is, I suspect, a true believer, but is canny enough to know which way the wind is blowing.

Is there anything Carney has said or done that indicates he's a true believer?

I haven't done a deep dive but a brief google has come up with this video from a trans/queer perspective essentially complaining that Carney has never made any supportive statements at all about trans or gender identity issues, which isn't really surprising given his banking background. But they are wanting him to make public affirmations of support like Trudeau did.

https://xtramagazine.com/video/mark-carney-lgbtq-stance-271712

The Xtra video doesn't mention Carney's daughter at all, but there's another Mumsnet thread about her apparent trans identification and activism (not sure if that's still current for her) but we know from parents on here that having a trans identifying or gender identity believing child doesn't necessarily mean the parents are true believers. It may well mean that he is compromised (which may well amount to the same outcome as a true believer), but I don't think we can infer anything about his true feelings and beliefs about gender from his daughter. Many parents/families don't "believe" that sex is irrelevant or their child has changed sex in the way their children want them to believe but they don't want to lose their relationship with their child, so there are all kinds of complex family dynamics. Without any evidence I don't think we can know his true feelings or beliefs.

A naively hopeful part of me is hoping that not having gender as a front and centre issue being pushed by the government itself (including if the Liberals win - I do think the lack of public statements and Trudeau style cheerleading on gender stuff is positive even it's a tiny step) and gender identity stuff getting less funding in a tighter economy might mean that there will be a slow burn effect where Canada begins to catch up with the UK and Europe, with pediatric gender medicine at least, and come to a more sane position. Unfortunately in reality I know that's probably much too over optimistic!

Sadly it's more likely that the women's rights and child safeguarding situation in Canada will just stay the same even if gender identity issues get less attention than before, and that's regardless of whether Carney is a true believer, compromised because of family relationships, or because the economy and sovereignty are unsurprisingly his main election focus due to the current situation with the US and his professional background in central banking.

carney

Where does Mark Carney stand on queer and trans issues? | Xtra Magazine

ANALYSIS: The new Liberal leader and prime minister-designate should affirm his party’s stance before going toe to toe with Pierre Poilievre

https://xtramagazine.com/video/mark-carney-lgbtq-stance-271712

fromorbit · 27/03/2025 22:51

Amy Eileen Hamm

I regret to inform my fan club of rabid, blue haired gender zealots that they’ve got nowhere to file their complaints about me any longer. Keep enjoying my posts—they’re about to get even better. I’m a free agent. And I will be naming names.

https://x.com/preta_6

MangyInseam · 27/03/2025 22:16

fromorbit · 27/03/2025 22:07

Down but not out.

Amy Eileen Hamm

I have never been this strong before.

With an election incoming end of April it will be interesting to see if this gets discussed more as an issue. Liberals ahead in polls after dumping Trudeau, and because of Trump's tarrifs, but it seems likely Carney if he wins will be even worse for those who know biology is real.

I have no doubt that Hamm and others will win the end , but it is going to be a long nasty fight.

I'm afraid it's unlikely to come up. I think Carney and Pollievre are both staying away from it as it's a losing proposition on both sides.

PP I think gets the issue and at least would not make things worse. MC is, I suspect, a true believer, but is canny enough to know which way the wind is blowing.

fromorbit · 27/03/2025 22:07

Down but not out.

Amy Eileen Hamm

I have never been this strong before.

With an election incoming end of April it will be interesting to see if this gets discussed more as an issue. Liberals ahead in polls after dumping Trudeau, and because of Trump's tarrifs, but it seems likely Carney if he wins will be even worse for those who know biology is real.

I have no doubt that Hamm and others will win the end , but it is going to be a long nasty fight.

DuesToTheDirt · 27/03/2025 20:56

Bastards.

duc748 · 27/03/2025 20:12

Oh, Canada, indeed.

borntobequiet · 27/03/2025 20:12

It’s unbelievable, except that it’s not. How awful. How unfair.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/03/2025 20:01

I feel like crying Flowers

fromorbit · 27/03/2025 19:52

Amy Eileen Hamm·
2h
I was just fired by VCHhealthcare after 13 years of employment as a registered nurse, with no severance, because I know that men are not women.

Fired for the first time in my life, and I’m in my 40s. I’m heartbroken. But, as I’ve said before: I stand proudly in truth. I have so much to expose.