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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 18

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ickky · 22/06/2022 20:26

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case

Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Thread 17 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)
Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's

Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Supplementary Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf

Closing Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

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jewishmum · 26/07/2022 14:23

Following for result

MsMarvellous · 26/07/2022 14:21

Oh Christ. That's fast. Even if she loses in law the judgment could make for very interesting reading.

Queenoftheashes · 26/07/2022 14:20

Surely, surely it’s good news. The things the witnesses were coming out with!

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:15

So we know that influential members of chambers were prejudicial on the account of her beliefs ; think this was more or less proved
We know that she suffered detriment

So perhaps it has to be overall good news??

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 26/07/2022 14:10

Well clearly the judge and her cat think this is a really obvious cut and dried case. Wonder which way though.

Gabcsika · 26/07/2022 14:10

I can only imagine it being very very good, or very very bad.

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:06

I'm thinking its not good news (or only partially good). - Something like RRS bristol judgement

Madcats · 26/07/2022 14:05

Fingers crossed that sanity prevails.

I would like to think that the judges are aware of how many other cases depend on this and Maya's recent judgement, one way or another.

IcakethereforeIam · 26/07/2022 14:05

Well that just spiked my anxiety. Strength to Allison.

Pickanameforme · 26/07/2022 14:05

Blimey I thought it would take much longer too.

SummerLobelia · 26/07/2022 14:05

Good luck Allison. I am thinking of you and hoping that true justice prevails.

Thanks Thanks
Gabcsika · 26/07/2022 14:05

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 26/07/2022 14:03

Wow. Blimey. That's quick. That must be a good sign? Or a really bad sign? Or EJG is a speed writing demon?

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I am wondering the same thing.

This is such a fast judgement. I was thinking it would be at least 6 months.

SummerLobelia · 26/07/2022 14:04

Checking in!!!!!!

Chrysanthemum5 · 26/07/2022 14:04

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:02

Allison Bailey
@BluskyeAllison
Judgement in my case against Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers will be promulgated / handed down tomorrow 27 Jul

!!!!!!

Wow!!!!

Gabcsika · 26/07/2022 14:03

According to a tweet by Allison, the judgement is due tomorrow.

"Judgement in my case against Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers will be promulgated / handed down tomorrow 27 July at 12 noon."

I was expecting this to take MUCH longer.

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 18
IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 26/07/2022 14:03

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:02

Allison Bailey
@BluskyeAllison
Judgement in my case against Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers will be promulgated / handed down tomorrow 27 Jul

!!!!!!

Wow. Blimey. That's quick. That must be a good sign? Or a really bad sign? Or EJG is a speed writing demon?

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:02

Allison Bailey
@BluskyeAllison
Judgement in my case against Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers will be promulgated / handed down tomorrow 27 Jul

!!!!!!

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 26/07/2022 12:34

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/07/2022 10:55

I don't think so, @Terfydactyl - and he doesn't have a very high success rate (not that that bothers him because he gets his (probably ginormous) fee anyway..

TBH, ifI were them I'd be looking to fund a barrister who seemed to know what they were doing. Or maybe there's no merit in their causes?

It seems that JM is unperturbed by what for most other barristers, would be a spreadsheet of shame.

twitter.com/Wonkypolicywonk/status/1544618119611793411

labourpainsblog.com/2022/06/12/good-law-project-i-won/

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/07/2022 10:55

I don't think so, @Terfydactyl - and he doesn't have a very high success rate (not that that bothers him because he gets his (probably ginormous) fee anyway..

TBH, ifI were them I'd be looking to fund a barrister who seemed to know what they were doing. Or maybe there's no merit in their causes?

Terfydactyl · 26/07/2022 08:20

Emotionalsupportviper · 25/07/2022 20:00

I thought the Fox-Batterer just saw a very lucrative cash cow - I didn't realise he had a personal interest.

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Hass the kimono wearing fox basher told all those funders of the good law project what he is spending their donations on? Or planning to spend it on?

Emotionalsupportviper · 25/07/2022 20:00

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/07/2022 16:43

I believe he is related to a person with a trans identity or whatever the Stonewall approved terminology is these days.

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I thought the Fox-Batterer just saw a very lucrative cash cow - I didn't realise he had a personal interest.

LK1972 · 25/07/2022 18:00

Thanks Eresh.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/07/2022 16:43

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/07/2022 14:18

I say this so often about Jo Maugham, but what does Maya's case have to do with him??
Why is he sticking his oar in?

I believe he is related to a person with a trans identity or whatever the Stonewall approved terminology is these days.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 25/07/2022 15:31

ickky · 25/07/2022 14:31

I miss you all too.

I don't think we will be able to watch Sarah's case as she has understandably been granted anonymity.

The next one I know of is Rachel Meade vs Social Work England ET starting on 1st December 2022. She is a social worker who had questions about reforming the GRA and as a result could lose her job. As ever, she is also in need of some gardening.

Does Rachel M have a professional hearing with Social Work England before then? In October? (Not sure about the date.)

James Essese (I think I have his surname wrong but starts with E) - when is his case?

James Esses—interesting to note that he and Rachel M have an opposing barrister in common—there needs to be a ruling on the parties (topic of the last hearing) before there is a scheduling arrangement, I think.

Whilst we were able to get through all of the evidence, including my own cross-examination, we ran out of time for closing submissions. As a result, the judge decided that these should be submitted in writing between now and the 18th July. After this point, he will consider all of the evidence and provide written judgment on the issues. This may take some months.

A Case Management Hearing has been scheduled for the 20th October for the purposes of setting dates and directions for the main trial itself.

Lovelyricepudding · 25/07/2022 15:04

James Essese (I think I have his surname wrong but starts with E) - when is his case?

For Women Scotland are going back to court again with the Scottish Government.