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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 18

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ickky · 22/06/2022 20:26

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case

Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Thread 17 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)
Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's

Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Supplementary Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf

Closing Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

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Lio · 27/07/2022 12:11

As a public service I am going to stop refreshing Twitter and put the shopping away instead, thereby causing the tribunal decision to appear.

tigertactics · 27/07/2022 12:10

Feel sick. Maya's took around 10-15 mins to feed through as I remember. Come on!

FannyCann · 27/07/2022 12:10

It's been a very quiet morning but there is a little work to do just now. I've disappeared to the loo and left my colleagues to get in with it. Wink

CompleteGinasaur · 27/07/2022 12:08

This is doing my head in - justice is supposed to be blind, not late..

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 27/07/2022 12:06

SIX MINUTES PAST TWELVE
🤯😬😱

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 27/07/2022 12:06

can't see anything yet

LoveTigerWiger · 27/07/2022 12:06

I feel sick waiting

Tallisker · 27/07/2022 12:06

Blimey my heart rate is through the roof

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 27/07/2022 12:06

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/07/2022 12:05

I'm suspended from Twitter ATM, so would appreciate revelation from anyone who is kind enough.

Me too!

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 27/07/2022 12:05

I can only imagine how Allison feels (although she would know by now I think?) as this waiting is awful just as a supporter.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/07/2022 12:05

I'm suspended from Twitter ATM, so would appreciate revelation from anyone who is kind enough.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 27/07/2022 12:04

This is actual torture. Literal violence.

Gabcsika · 27/07/2022 12:04

My heartrate is ridiculous.

FannyCann · 27/07/2022 12:04

Checking tribunal tweets too.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/07/2022 12:04

BunnyBerries · 27/07/2022 11:49

@Legospider That was indeed Maya's as others have said

You may have been thinking of the other classic one in Allison's - "Bodies are not inherently male or female..they are just their bodies" Confused

And don't forget that people's sex changes throughout their lifetime - several times, apparently.

Makes you wonder why anyone needs any surgery or hormones if they're just going to swap back in a couple of years.

SierraSapphire · 27/07/2022 12:03

This is tense!

BIWI · 27/07/2022 12:00

12.00!

FannyCann · 27/07/2022 12:00

On Allison's twitter. Literally counting down.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 27/07/2022 11:59

I apologise unreservedly to Kirrin Medcalf for the misattribution of the corpse remark.

Mollyollydolly · 27/07/2022 11:59

Can't stand this. 1 minute.

Pickanameforme · 27/07/2022 11:57

2 minutes

FemaleAndLearning · 27/07/2022 11:56

BenCoopersSupportWren · 27/07/2022 11:35

No, it was definitely Maya's ET. It was Luke Easley, CGD's VP of HR, who said "identity is reality — without identity there’s just a corpse.”

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Sorry just seen this after I posted.

FemaleAndLearning · 27/07/2022 11:55

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 27/07/2022 11:24

Allison's - it was Kirrin Medcalf.

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So most of us are corpses then? Is this like a Christian saying I'm dead if I don't agree I have a soul (never heard a Christian say this by the way). Kirrin really doesn't seem to grasp what a belief is.

Legospider · 27/07/2022 11:54

Thank you - yes, I remember laughing out loud with DH at that one, both glued to it when he was supposed to be at work. (DH who once told me I was on the wrong side of history. Peaked by stonewall.)