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Novel by Trans Woman author features death of JK Rowling, removal of womb from Black Woman

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Misstache · 18/04/2022 01:53

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How is this ok? Enslaved Black women were actually subjected to no-anaesthesia hysterectomies, something it took years for the medical establishment to acknowledge, and longer to remove the statue of the w fire male doctor who tortured these women, but it’s ok to put that in a book? It’s ok to fantasize about killing actual women? So if we say “I’m not sure people who have been through male puberty should compete in Women’s categories in sports that’s “literal Genocide,” but a whole novel sadistically murdering and raping women is fine and progressive and can be sold?

This actually makes me sick.

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Humberdt · 21/05/2025 10:06

The link is from last October - this is the first I’ve heard of it (not that I’m well versed in this oeuvre!) Maybe JKR’s lawyers have been working in the background? Hopefully a film involving such an obscenely violent, misogynistic storyline against a female who receives death threats in real life, won’t see the light of day? Or at least that section of the storyline will be removed? I’m sure there are enough transgender people who wouldn’t want to see such a film either - even if they aren’t fans of JKR.

DomesticatedZombie · 20/05/2025 22:01

beastlyslumber · 20/05/2025 21:33

Haha well that's good. I'm sure a horror story about predatory trans people doing horrendously violent and misogynist things will be a great boon for TRAs' public image.

Aye, it's a surprising choice if you're hoping to persuade people that trans identifying males are placid, peaceful, and sane.

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 20/05/2025 21:52

'Hit novel'? Was it? I remember looking at the time and it didn't seem to be selling that well.
Film sounds like it'll be brilliant sunlight. Hope they do it.

beastlyslumber · 20/05/2025 21:33

Haha well that's good. I'm sure a horror story about predatory trans people doing horrendously violent and misogynist things will be a great boon for TRAs' public image.

NitroNine · 29/04/2022 01:32

Apologies, the “improved” MN deleted a section of my post & then refused to let me edit further. Having lost more than one post to the “Oops!” screen, am afraid I’ve opted to post & finish the edit here!

it’s not the medicine that’s to be worried about but the ethics, & ensuring there’s no attempt to discriminate against trans women when the inevitable legislation governing uterine transplants is written.

Black women are routinely STILL offered only hysterectomies to treat uterine fibroids despite a less invasive treatment being available. This suggestion black women’s wombs be taken by a majority white male group is happening not simply in a context of dreadful historical abuses, but one of ongoing ill-treatment of black women by privileged white people (of doctors in America are white & only 5% are black [and/]or African American).
05/modern-day-tuskegee-experiment-what-black-women-are-not-being
Who J Marion Sims may have quite literally been knocked of his pedestal, but his reach is long.

NitroNine · 29/04/2022 01:01

@PurgatoryOfPotholes
It’s remarkable to read the discussions round it on Twitter: instantly & summarily dismissed by TRA’s as not simply fake but engineered to stir up transphobia. Twitter’s helpfully supplied the genius-level analysis that as the chat belongs to/is hosted by a black trans woman it MUST be Evil Fakery because That Would Never Happen. Um, but - as the black women they were talking over, ignoring & shouting down kept explaining - yes, it would, does, did, had, has, & this makes a stunning & brave example.

Crucially, however, despite it so obviously being a complete & ridiculous fake that it is both incredible & absurd that anyone could have been taken in: if you should see something like this you mustn’t ever EVER post about/discuss it because doing so puts trans women at risk. As ever, it’s about the group who identify as oppressed & marginalised & powerless - & of course the frankly offensive nonsense about uterus transplants for trans women. The authors really REALLY should have known better than to publish a parlour game; but far more blame lies with the Journal who not only published their ascientific nonsense, but commentary on it that insists uterine transplants for trans women are just around the corner & it’s not the medicine that’s to be worried about but the ethics, & ensuring there’s no attempt to discriminate against trans women when the inevitable legislation governi

/05/modern-day-tuskegee-experiment-what-black-women-are-not-being
Who J Marion Sims may have quite literally been knocked of his pedestal, but his reach is long. Henrietta Lacks’ family have suffered dreadfully because of an ongoing staggering lack of respect for the bodily autonomy of black people & for the black community. The vast majority of girls & women who are affected by FGM are black. Or of course there’s “just” the current reality of drastic health inequality in both the UK & the US (& elsewhere, I know, but I’m most familiar with the UK & US situations - I don’t think they’re more important) having a tragic impact on the maternal mortality rates of black mothers: MBRRACE 2021 Report (UK); Black Women’s Maternal Health: A Multifaceted Approach to Addressing Persistent and Dire Health Disparities (National Partnership for Women & Families, April 2018 [US] - & CDC statistics show things have got worse since).

Wauden · 26/04/2022 23:31

This is the sort of thing that the censors used to be able to stop in films and books but the freedom of speech lobbying was taken over by manipulative certain types with loathsome agendas.

DomesticatedZombie · 26/04/2022 23:19

Appalling that anyone at all would think or say such a thing, let alone put it in a book. And yet Macmillan, one of the Big Five publishing houses, with a reputation built on scientific and educative publishing, is fine with it.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 25/04/2022 17:29

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 25/04/2022 00:42

Possibly inspired by this book, a clubhouse space (type of social media, for talking to others- like a group telephone call) with a truly horrendous name has been spotted and screencapped

I'm not willing to upload it here, because it is that bad.

Update on that screenshot of a discussion topic. It was a Clubhouse room. Clubhouse is like a chatroom, except it's audio, instead of people typing.

In the site's own words:

Clubhouse is a place for casual, drop-in audio chats. When you open the app you'll see "rooms" full of people talking, and have the opportunity to explore different conversations.

It’s a place to meet with friends and new people around the world—to tell stories, ask questions, debate, learn, and have impromptu conversations on thousands of different topics.

From Clubhouse FAQs

People on twitter did some digging to confirm that it had genuinely happened and has been corroborated. The room/room host had a history of targeting black women. Looks like the publication of Falkner-Martin's book and its scene with a black woman having her womb removed incited the host to plumb further depths.

FrancescaContini · 25/04/2022 15:24

Humberdt · 25/04/2022 14:52

I saw this nasty, hateful post on the Instagram reel of an account that is all about body positivity, anti-bullying, 'kindness' and trans awareness (one half of the couple is a transwoman). They've criticised JKR before and some comments have been foul but this, in my opinion, really crossed the line. They are basically saying they love the 'concept' of JKR being burned alive at her home! And to top it off have the audacity (and the lack of critical thinking skills) to say 'once again JK makes it all about her again'. WTF - it IS about her! As far as I know JKR herself hasn't said anything publicly about this book. I reported the post as hate speech to Instagram. How can this account not see the rank hypocrisy of this. Unbelievable.

It’s really nasty yet has the look of a 10-year-old’s scrapbook…odd!

Humberdt · 25/04/2022 14:52

I saw this nasty, hateful post on the Instagram reel of an account that is all about body positivity, anti-bullying, 'kindness' and trans awareness (one half of the couple is a transwoman). They've criticised JKR before and some comments have been foul but this, in my opinion, really crossed the line. They are basically saying they love the 'concept' of JKR being burned alive at her home! And to top it off have the audacity (and the lack of critical thinking skills) to say 'once again JK makes it all about her again'. WTF - it IS about her! As far as I know JKR herself hasn't said anything publicly about this book. I reported the post as hate speech to Instagram. How can this account not see the rank hypocrisy of this. Unbelievable.

Novel by Trans Woman author features death of JK Rowling, removal of womb from Black Woman
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 25/04/2022 00:42

Possibly inspired by this book, a clubhouse space (type of social media, for talking to others- like a group telephone call) with a truly horrendous name has been spotted and screencapped

I'm not willing to upload it here, because it is that bad.

Artichokeleaves · 23/04/2022 19:24

How stupid do you have to be to think you can ensure the survival of the species by killing the actual women?

This kind of mindset has no longterm thinking, or care or consideration for anything or anyone but self gratification. Me, Now, I want, thwart me and you'll be sorry. It's the behaviour of a toddler stunted in a large body. An adult should be ashamed of themselves, but there isn't even the self awareness or sufficient ability to step away from the ego to realise how this appears to others or that there's anything wrong with it.

As a society we're going to have to get a whole lot better at managing and having boundaries with adults with capacity issues such as this.

nepeta · 23/04/2022 19:20

I believe it is almost impossible in the US for JK Rowling to sue the author. IANAL but I think there is a concept of someone being a public figure which matters here. Private persons can sue for defamation but the bar is very very high for public figures who must prove actual malice.

One source: www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1010/public-figures-and-officials

Snugglepumpkin · 23/04/2022 18:45

How stupid do you have to be to think you can ensure the survival of the species by killing the actual women?

Not that I would waste my time buying that book or anything else that person writes.

I do read horror, zompoc etc.. but that is just the badly written ramblings of someone who comes across as very disturbed.

I will not buy another book from Tor Nightfire for as long as that is in print no matter who the author is.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/04/2022 14:17

US laws are very different, it's why so many people try to bring their action in the UK.

The book has been out for some time. I should think that the author would welcome publicity and any acquired martyr status.

I rely upon JKR's judgment as to appropriate actions that she would like to see.

GrimDamnFanjo · 23/04/2022 11:44

GrouchyKiwi · 22/04/2022 20:15

It's published by Nightfire, which seems to be Tor's Horror imprint.

Tor used to publish some of my favourite authors. I hope that's no longer the case.

Tor is part of Macmillan!

GrimDamnFanjo · 23/04/2022 11:42

What book fantasising about Rowling's death tells us about publishers
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From Julie Bindel.

Thelnebriati · 23/04/2022 11:41

I don't get this, I thought that publishers jumped through hoops to make sure characters in books didn't resemble anyone in real life?

DomesticatedZombie · 23/04/2022 10:41

Arianya · 23/04/2022 07:52

I don’t see why this is not being treated as a threat or a hate crime? Really hoping JKR will sue.

The author is American, so it depends on how their laws are as well as UK laws, I imagine. A subject for specialist lawyers. Of which I'm very sure JKR has access to.

Arianya · 23/04/2022 07:52

I don’t see why this is not being treated as a threat or a hate crime? Really hoping JKR will sue.

beastlyslumber · 23/04/2022 07:47

DomesticatedZombie · 22/04/2022 20:21

Could be defamation. And that can work internationally - Scarlett Johansson successfully sued a French writer.

www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-scarlett-johansson-wins-case-against-bestselling-french-novelist-20140707-story.html

Oh good call. Yes, I remember that.

Ahgoonyegirlye · 22/04/2022 23:14

‘ It’s got a high star rating, with many five star reviews from verified purchases on Amazon. Obviously you can organise that if you have a big enough network, but anyone looking at it would probably conclude it’s going to do well, and it might well be that it wasn’t organised at all, but is genuinely popular.’

ignorenit and don’t give it oxygen. It’s ratings are high in MLGBTQ+ Horror which is so niche That could literally mean 50 books sold.

Spider2Scary · 22/04/2022 21:32

@TheCurrywurstPrion

Yep, I think people are seeing it being promoted and buying as a result... but unfortunately they definitely enjoy the content too.

Quick search of the user... they clearly know their audience.

Novel by Trans Woman author features death of JK Rowling, removal of womb from Black Woman