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Calyx72 · 11/02/2022 20:56

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP"

A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights

Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA

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VenusEnvyXX · 11/04/2024 18:36

Hi all, I've seen your thread off and on and I have been grateful for the support and wisdom here and on iCSP.

I am concerned about today's announcement (thanks, @RadFiz ) and want to explore whether the CSP would benefit from having it's own SEEN.

If you're not familiar with them, they are a balance to the LGBTQIA+ groups and can be formally recognised and eligible for funding and an equal footing as other network groups. Here's the civil service SEEN. Yesterday saw the launch of SEEN in education, there's one for journalism, police, HR, city, it seems like they are popping up like mushrooms.

I have been contacted by a number of people in the CSP, both staff and members, who share my concerns that this announcement misrepresents the law, defames members and manages to be both unnecessary and unclear.

I do not agree with Rob Yeldham, and previously, Karen Middleton, when they say that physiotherapy has a transphobia issue. If there is evidence of this I have not seen it.

I suspect that this work has been produced without consulting a lawyer as when it was announced it referred to the protected characteristics of sex and gender under the Human Rights Act. The HRA does not mention gender, gender reassignment is part of the exceptions to the 2010 Equality Act. I'm happy to see that this has since been corrected online.

The three definitions of transphobia come from our own online EDB glossary which appears to be C+P from Stonewall, one from TransActual and one from The National Education Union - all of whom are trans activists.

I have been through the disciplinary system, some of the accusations levied against me were that I was transphobic. The HCPC concluded that I was robust in my communications but not transphobic, everything was dropped with no case to answer. The CSP dropped all complaints with no case to answer and the complaints submitted to other bodies were not even considered worthy of examination.

It seems that people who are diametrically opposed to the view that sex is real and immutable are employed by and in positions of power and influence at our trade union. This is absolutely fine, it is important for a trade union to reflect its membership. I am uncomfortable with the views of activists forming policy without due process and debate. I hope to be wrong, but I suspect that might have happened in the formation of this CSP position statement.

It is difficult to speak up about these issues, people are scared of being accused of transphobia, and rightly so, the personal penalties can be high.

If you would be willing to share your views or insights with me then I'd be grateful. I'll make a dedicated thread and link it here. You can email me ([email protected]), message me on substack (@venusenvyxx) or on twitter (@gussiegrips). I can absolutely assure you of anonymity, I've got the hang of that by now.

I am proud to have had a long career in physio even if I have made a habit of upsetting some professional peers every few years. I'm confident we can fix this - it seems to me that this is little more than a training and communication issue, which, like sex, is not that complicated.

Thanks for reading all that and for standing up for professional standards. I'm glad you found each other and that Justine allows this corner of the site to plod along. Without it we'd be in dire straits.
bests
Elaine Miller

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-service-staff-networks/seen-network

JeannieDark · 11/04/2024 18:33

Anklesprainssuck · 11/04/2024 18:24

Colleague has sent me this - Elaine Miller, physio, calling out to others ( not sure if she is on this thread)
https://venusenvyxx.substack.com/p/transphobia-in-physiotherapy?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&s=08

She's aware of this thread and does read it sometimes.

RadFiz · 11/04/2024 18:03

The statement mentions the “Equalities Act”. What might that be? Are they not embarrassed to release something that wasn’t even checked or proofread?

Calyx72 · 11/04/2024 17:33

Welcome @Anklesprainssuck and yes, totally agree. Are Unison any less captured, do you know?

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Anklesprainssuck · 11/04/2024 17:30

Physio here. What the hell? Does the CSP have absolutely no political awareness and what is going on in the wider world?
Not impressed with this statement. UNISON is no better but I know a lot of physios changing to UNISON as it is cheaper and not feeling the professional support of the CSP. This is another motive to go somewhere cheaper.
What ever happened to clinical skills as a profession and putting the patient first? How much time, resources and effort have they spent on this? Don’t they realise we are a female dominated profession and women may want to voice concerns on behalf of themselves and their patients?
Do they not think we will be advocates for keeping female bays FEMALE? We have single side rooms for a reason. But no- we will be deemed transphobic to even question it ?!!
What a joke.
CSP- go read the Cass report, go read about Rachel Meade etc etc…
Sorry- rant over, keeping anonymised for the time being for obvious reasons.

RadFiz · 10/04/2024 20:53

Is Mermaids on their website? I didn’t think it was. Just a few links to Stonewall.

Calyx72 · 10/04/2024 20:33

stealtheatingtunnocks · 10/04/2024 14:00

Who has seen the Cass Report? Is it time the CSP removed Mermaids from our site and criticising members for having concerns about the gender and its impacts?

Absolutely. I haven't had a chance to read it yet other than the key points in the media and X but if it's the well put together review I expect it is then physiotherapy, nursing, midwives, social work etc etc - schools and everything else - needs to take notice and reverse the 'affirm or lose your job' stance

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 10/04/2024 14:00

Who has seen the Cass Report? Is it time the CSP removed Mermaids from our site and criticising members for having concerns about the gender and its impacts?

Calyx72 · 16/03/2024 13:53

Yes agreed @RadFiz it's not a good sign IMO (either of the points you mentioned)

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RadFiz · 16/03/2024 08:39

It appears that our old friend Jack, he of “predatory women” fame has now been directly employed by the CSP! Nice to know misogyny has a place in our professional body, isn’t it? https://www.csp.org.uk/campaigns-influencing/csp-your-area/london

ETA: I also saw that the chair of Council is stepping down. He seemed a decent enough sort, so I wonder if he’s had enough of all this nonsense too?

stealtheatingtunnocks · 15/02/2024 16:03

That video with the big announcement hasn’t been made, yet, has it@. So much virtue signalling, so little time

https://x.com/csplgbtqia/status/1755318456889549236?s=46

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/02/2024 15:40

What happened? I thought they were essential for patients to feel safe and confident?

mate it turned out they were meaningless patronising shite?

Calyx72 · 09/02/2024 14:17

www.vice.com/en/article/ak38ak/uk-government-shuts-down-nhs-lgbtq-diversity-program-rainbow-badge-scheme

Interesting! NHS England but whatever happens there tends to filter through to the other nations' NHSs as well.

With the focus on finding savings and funding shortages it's a no brainer.

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RadFiz · 06/02/2024 21:08

He doesn’t appear to have much to say about anything!

stealtheatingtunnocks · 06/02/2024 15:18

Had the new CEO said anything yet? I expect he’s busy finding his feet and trying to manage all the “say something about Gaza” demands (I’d prefer it if he’d please focus on my working conditions).

im curious about whether he’s going to engage with members or call us transphobic racists like KM nearly did I. All her last speeches.

tonybasil · 06/02/2024 08:18

physiotherapists---sop-changes.pdf (hcpc-uk.org)
I've just renewed my HCPC membership and had a look at the updated standards. It seems the update is just an excuse to shoehorn EDI into as many points as possible.

Here's a nice example,
8.8: identify their own leadership qualities, behaviours and approaches, taking into account the importance of equality, diversity and inclusion

not quite sure what the above actually means, any ideas? and points 5 - 5.8 just seem to be saying the same thing over again - but watch out for your unconscious bias!

https://www.hcpc-uk.org/globalassets/standards/standards-of-proficiency/reviewing/physiotherapists---sop-changes.pdf

RadFiz · 05/02/2024 22:29

Calyx72 · 05/02/2024 22:18

Agree. These soundbites/opinion pieces seem to be just a license to write anything without having to back it up with evidence

I noticed that Harriet is also on the LGBT network page, where she describes herself as a “pansexual demifemale”. Say what??

Calyx72 · 05/02/2024 22:22

stealtheatingtunnocks · 30/01/2024 17:32

I might try to go to this. It’ll be a nice addition to my CPD portfolio and probably protective. https://www.tickettailor.com/events/clinicaladvisorynetworkforsexgender/1116765

That looks really excellent

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Calyx72 · 05/02/2024 22:18

RadFiz · 01/02/2024 17:29

Was there any quality control for this article?https://www.csp.org.uk/frontline/article/lgbt-history-month-pride-practice

Harriet: It’s concerning the amount of doctors and consultants that agree with the [view] that trans people should be kept separate from other people, which I completely disagree with.

I think Harriet has confused single-sex spaces with being completely shunned by society!

Agree. These soundbites/opinion pieces seem to be just a license to write anything without having to back it up with evidence

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Calyx72 · 05/02/2024 22:14

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 05/02/2024 18:58

There's not been an announcement about the big exciting statement yet, has there?

I wonder if the various recent tribunals have slowed things up.
x.com/csplgbtqia/status/1747926721855115687?s=20

Looks like that tweet saying "like to support us" has had over 2k views and only 19 likes.

Read the room CSP. There are other more important priorities than political lobbying for gender ideology.

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