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Calyx72 · 11/02/2022 20:56

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP"

A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights

Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA

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Calyx72 · 31/05/2022 19:37

Oh wait - does say "one in 10 women" referencing an NHS statistic on menopause

Sorry

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Calyx72 · 31/05/2022 19:37

It says 'menopausal individuals' AND THEN later in the article mentions that 'Non-binary, trans and intersex people can also experience the menopause, and likewise should not be discriminated against'

The word 'female' or 'woman' is nowhere to be seen. Where's JKR when we need her Confused

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 31/05/2022 18:50

Frontline says that individuals can be menopausal?

Female individuals? The kind that used to be called women?

Ok, I'm not happy about this - how can we serve women who need physiotherapy if we can't name them? We don't even teach undergrads about menopause - we have middle aged women coming with knee pain which is hormonal in nature without giving the clinicians the skills they need to treat them appropriately.

IT's bad enough to ignore women's needs, but to suggest that woman is a bad word is too much.

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Calyx72 · 31/05/2022 08:21

RadFizz · 31/05/2022 07:35

This month's magazine features another article on "menopausal individuals". Ridiculous!

I feel we have lost our own identity as women. We are being mis-identitied as 'individuals'/'persons' etc rather than women in the name of inclusion. As someone who believes that sex matters and that gender is what we used to call personality, it's extremely annoying

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RadFizz · 31/05/2022 07:35

This month's magazine features another article on "menopausal individuals". Ridiculous!

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Calyx72 · 30/05/2022 10:37

girasol · 30/05/2022 07:20

Share token link to the article mentioned by @TheBiologyStupid

Nurse council keeps faith in Stonewall

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/46cefeda-82c3-11ec-a9c8-2dfad00a5965?shareToken=92d4be9201192e384757cc169d22ce5f

Thanks Girasol

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Calyx72 · 30/05/2022 10:36

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/05/2022 00:31

I thought we weren't to criticise other members? If we have a problem ten we follow due process - so surely Darren should have opened a complaint rather than make vaguely passive aggressive comments on a public forum?

Passive aggressive comments about the "top" of the profession? Is he talking about Emma Stokes?

I agree with this.

Pronouns, Stonewall, 'transphobia' accusations - all political

We aren't supposed to be political at work right? All part of being professionals.

Trans physios, if they feel they are being bullied or treated unprofessionally, can access the same supports that the rest of us would.

LGB physios have been doing the job without looking for any special attention or needing to talk about their sexuality, right?

So why all this focus? New diversity network etc etc. Not necessary, possibly divisive given that gender critical views are supposed to be allowed these days.

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TheBiologyStupid · 30/05/2022 09:08

Thanks girasol!

girasol · 30/05/2022 07:20

Share token link to the article mentioned by @TheBiologyStupid

Nurse council keeps faith in Stonewall

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/46cefeda-82c3-11ec-a9c8-2dfad00a5965?shareToken=92d4be9201192e384757cc169d22ce5f

TheBiologyStupid · 30/05/2022 01:10

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 18/02/2022 17:26

Thanks for the summary, @Calyx72.

The thing that interests me is that Karen Middleton is not an idiot. I think her background was at the Dept of Health? She's got to be aware of the organisations leaving Stonewall and the trouble at universities.

I've been so tempted to just email her the Nolan Podcast and ask whether she thinks SW is good value for the money.

One voice is too easy to quash. The nurses and midwives had 400 signatures for this, anonymous, letter. I don't know what became of it, either. There must be a response by now?

womansplaceuk.org/2021/12/04/stonewall-nurses-and-midwives-speak-out/

The NMC rejected the call to withdraw from Stonewall, surprise surprise. The article is behind the Times paywall unfortunately: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nursing-and-midwifery-council-council-keeps-faith-in-stonewall-0q9p9m926

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/05/2022 00:31

I thought we weren't to criticise other members? If we have a problem ten we follow due process - so surely Darren should have opened a complaint rather than make vaguely passive aggressive comments on a public forum?

Passive aggressive comments about the "top" of the profession? Is he talking about Emma Stokes?

RadFizz · 28/05/2022 13:59

@northender I just saw that 🙄

Meanwhile Blue Hair has now locked his account, presumably because women replied to tell him he's a misogynist.

northender · 28/05/2022 06:43

@RadFizz Darren.. Brown

RadFizz · 27/05/2022 13:10

There is also a blue-haired (male) physio who appears to sit on the CSP diversity committee and has tweeted that the term "sex-based rights" is like "British jobs for British workers" and "make America great again". He's also accused Jack of being abusive.

I despair.

RadFizz · 27/05/2022 10:12

@northender who is DB?

girasol · 27/05/2022 09:15

NecessaryScene · 18/02/2022 10:30

we cannot allow comments which undermine the legitimacy of trans women as women, or which cause hurt or alarm to trans members

But if you want to undermine the legitimacy of women, or cause hurt or alarm to female members, fill your boots.

We have more in common than divides us.

Even more true of men and "transwomen".

Why do they keep trying to divide men from transwomen? Confused

This ^

northender · 27/05/2022 09:10

I've just seen DB tweeted late last night about the level of transphobia at the top of the CSP and through the membership so I assume that is linked to the council nominations.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 26/05/2022 18:26

I was watching the Allison Bailey thread and Elaine had a shout out as being one of those watching.

RadFizz · 25/05/2022 11:00

That's great news about Jack. He seems very well-known and popular among physios so there's a good chance that he'll get voted in. I'm not sure what the Council will do if that happens, given that most of them have fallen for gender woo and have added pronouns to their names etc. I think the deadline for nominations has passed so it's too late to nominate Elaine. Shame!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/05/2022 10:46

Twitter tells me that (at) Jack A Chew is standing for council and that Elaine has supported his nomination, along with lots of others that I recognise.

Elaine has a new Edinburgh Fringe show about pelvic health "viva your vulva the hole story". Someone I know saw a preview last weekend. She's a GP and said it's full of stuff that made her say "I didn't know that". She said the gender bit is clever and funnier than Gervais's new Netflix because it's kind and not mocking. I bought tickets, it counts as CPD and I'm needing some!

I had a look at her twitter (at) gussie grips. She is talking to trans people, who aren't very nice to her but doesn't rise to the provoking. Jack is the same, he seems robust and argumentative (about everything!) but like he considers things so I hope he gets into council - I've never voted for council before but I'll vote for him this time.

Maybe Mumsnet could persuade Elaine to stand too?

PinotGroggio · 13/05/2022 12:27

Bit silly if they've ditched Elaine. She's probably the most high profile physio out there!

RadFizz · 09/05/2022 22:32

@bringmelaughter Elaine used to be listed on their website as a spokesperson for women's health issues but isn't anymore. Hmm...

northender · 09/05/2022 21:40

Oh how refreshing to hear this, she is so very credible

bringmelaughter · 08/05/2022 16:04

This is interesting: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545202-elaine-miller-great-thoughtful-interview-here

Elaine is a physio who has a profile with the CSP and who has had her work highlighted by another physio in a leadership role who doesn’t seem to be thinking about the unintended consequences of supporting the needs of trans people without considering the impact on females.

Hoping someone like Elaine may be able to create some healthy discussion in order to balance decision making about the needs of trans people and females.

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Calyx72 · 06/05/2022 19:55

@RadFizz one of those went to uni with me

I agree there's no balance to discussion now. It's swung to Stonewall. I hope and pray it swings back.

My work Twitter is completely separate from my personal (GC) twitter. That's how it needs to be.

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