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Calyx72 · 11/02/2022 20:56

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP"

A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights

Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 05/07/2022 19:48

@FionaMacCool and, if we want to make the profession look less like me (I am a smiler, have a pony tail and am athletic, I am a walking stereotype) then we need to protect single sex spaces in the hope that e.g. soem Muslim women might choose to study physio. It makes no sense to make it harder for them to
exclude members or potential physios. We've got a workforce crisis, and it's not just that there aren't enough of us so we should be removing barriers.

I'm so angry about this. There must be way for us to find each other in real life and find others and DO SOETHING! Midwives and nurses manage, why are we all so quiet?

Greycatwhitepaws · 05/07/2022 19:12

@FionaMacCool agree massive safeguarding implications.

i definitely don’t want to cheer on whilst adolescents embark on a journey of considerable and irreparable harm. To suggest watchful waiting you are naturally transphobic. I don’t know how the CSP can endorse this. Will they have to beg forgiveness in 20 years for joining in? They need to know what they are doing and what it all means.

I don’t understand how so many medical professionals have swallowed this ideology completely without any backward glance.

Where is the critical thought, where is the understanding other perspectives.

I can understand the view that some would prefer to identify differently. Why is the idea that this will impact women so hard to understand???? Not necessarily middle class professional women like the flag wavers at CSP but women whose lives are harder and rawer. And adolescents.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 05/07/2022 11:28

Rachel will have lots of very vulnerable patients who are ventilated in the community - males with muscular dystrophy. So she must know why ssx matters.

it makes no sense.

northender · 05/07/2022 09:11

RM is Rachel Moses. Used to regularly promote Gussie & say what good friends they were. Haven't seen any of that lately....

FionaMacCool · 05/07/2022 08:33

Calyx72 · 05/07/2022 07:51

@FionaMacCool I thought I had replied to you when you joined, just want to say sympathies about your profession's policies, I saw the 'training' stuff it would have been hilarious if I hadn't been so horrified ConfusedFlowers

Thanks Calyx, I've lurked on this thread since you started it. I'm not in the UK but have close family members in the CSP and I've brought them around to the daftness of this whole ideology.
I work in paeds so am utterly horrified by the safeguarding implications. I am not pointing fingers at physios over this, more that I am glad to see other professionals that get it.

Calyx72 · 05/07/2022 07:51

@FionaMacCool I thought I had replied to you when you joined, just want to say sympathies about your profession's policies, I saw the 'training' stuff it would have been hilarious if I hadn't been so horrified ConfusedFlowers

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Calyx72 · 05/07/2022 06:57

As an aside, not related, I nearly didn't vote in the CSP Council election because the leaflet telling us about the candidates was FULL of spelling mistakes and I couldn't believe it.

If I hadn't wanted to vote for Jack I would have thrown it in the bin in annoyance.

We pay so much every month to the CSP and they can't be arsed spellchecking a leaflet they are sending to every member.

Grrrrr!

@Greycatwhitepaws I am not including your typos in my spelling annoyance because the CSP leaflet person presumably wasn't typing on a phone Smile
And if you started a group I would join it (anonymously of course)

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Calyx72 · 05/07/2022 06:47

I also have considered leaving the CSP due to all this.

I don't know who RM is so can't read the rant haha

I want to start a thread on iCSP about the department of education leaving the Stonewall diversity index thingy and mentioning free speech (because iCSP removed a thread about Stonewall themselves and censored a perfectly valid discussion because "be kind")

I am cheered because of Bette Midler and Macy Gray yesterday and JC getting voted in to Council. So that's something Smile

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RadFizz · 05/07/2022 06:24

To be fair, a 7% voter turnout is standard in most trade union elections. It's not great but it's not unique to the CSP. I guess most people are either apathetic or happy with the status quo. But overall I'm pleased they've finally got a more diverse council.

The usual suspects are all very quiet on social media. It's not like them at all so I wonder what's going on?

stealtheatingtunnocks · 05/07/2022 01:19

I saw that rant! It was very odd. Most of the people from a culturally diverse background who were standing already had leadership roles. What did she mean that they are marginalised? Seems to me that they are exactly what we want -
people of colour in the front line of a profession, “if you can’t see it you can’t be it “ after all.

she seemed to be saying ,without naming names, that JC had an unfair advantage because he is popular. Well, isn’t that an example of hard work? And Jack’s not form a priveliged background, diversity included working class?

I don’t see the problem at all. The problem I DO see is that Janet tweeted turn out 7%!

how can a trade union work well if it’s members aren’t involved? That is really bad, I’m wondering if head office have any idea at all about what the membership need or want. There are 60k of us, we should have some power, but not if only single figures vote.

im considering leaving the CSP. This is so bad, Karen’s speech was another straw. I need the insurance but there must be other options.

wbat does Karen get paid to manage to speak to 7% of 60k members? And how much have I sunk into CSP since I qualified? It has never felt like value for money but now I know Rob Yeldham is he/him and so
are the most of the exec - would they be fit to defend me against transphobia accusation at work?

Im worried they are going to be like the midwives. Gussie commented on the midwifeey school teaching students to catheterise penises. If we are following the nurses and midwives then I’m off.

northender · 04/07/2022 23:51

RM tweeted her feelings about the results last week when she had had sight of them. Had a major rant about commercial companies canvassing for candidate(s), I'm assuming Jack C maybe though I know nothing about that

TheBiologyStupid · 04/07/2022 23:23

Greycatwhitepaws · 04/07/2022 23:05

Argh apologies for typos.

Better than my cat's paws could have done!

Greycatwhitepaws · 04/07/2022 23:05

Argh apologies for typos.

Greycatwhitepaws · 04/07/2022 23:04

Hello fellow PTs! I completely missed this thread as font come here so much these dates. I literally thought that it was just me and then I noted that Gussie Grips had turned. I’ve looked on Twitter a few times in the past years for some sort of evidence of an undercurrent but saw nothing. I logged out of my professional Twitter feed after the nauseating CSP virtual signalling pronoun crap (even turning their names as Rob Y he / him and also he / him in the bio as it gave me the absolute rage. I got in touch with Maya F with concern about the HCPC diversity survey in 21 but have mostly remained very quiet online. Read a lot and remain professional even though I'm anon.
I'm still.surprised how so few get it.
Might log back into the icsp for first time in year's. Would it be possible to set up a group??? The CSP would hate us

Calyx72 · 04/07/2022 20:37

I was chuffed to hear Jack was voted in Grin

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 04/07/2022 19:59

I heard (through a person I know in council) that Jack had five times more votes than the next person.

thats going to annoy some people on the exec. I do relieved, I think that’s 3 of the new councillors who are not subscribing to TWAW.

I expect there will be some complaining tweeting from the usuals any minute now

RadFizz · 04/07/2022 17:09

I had an email from the CSP today announcing council election results. Jack C was among those elected!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/06/2022 22:21

I'm offended too, @Calyx72 .

I don't need a fucking lanyard to signal that I'm a safe person for LGBTQIA2S+ people. I'm safe for everyone because I'm good at my job and I keep my personal opinions out of my work.

I NEVER bring my authentic self to work. My authentic self is a terrible cunt.

FionaMacCool · 30/06/2022 21:26

Oh Lordy, Physios, that speech?!
I'm not a Physio but am a closely-related profession which has a policy stating that men can have babies (!).
That speech is bonkers, addressing a professional body that has managed through Covid.

Calyx72 · 30/06/2022 18:28

"We know silence is the voice of the oppressor. [But not if you're silenced but gender critical, you bigots!]"

Exactly. Thank you.

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Calyx72 · 30/06/2022 18:27

Oh ffs. Are there actually

"... very many physiotherapists and support workers who feel like this every single day.
Every single day."
How many? Especially since everyone in CSP and HCPC and on work Twitter and everywhere else (except in our own heads or on anonymous forums) appear to believe gender trumps everything including sex and actual reality?

I think it's a disgraceful speech actually and reading it, I feel as though I am being accused of bullying and exclusion when I have never done that to anyone of any sex, disability, gender, race, politics or belief. No matter whether I believe in their beliefs or not.

I have a cousin who argues that the earth may be flat and I don't bully or make fun of them; I have close family who are of the opposite side of politics from my politics but we love each other and get on well; I have a best friend whose nephew is trans and I don't judge or comment or treat him any differently from her other family members.

I believe there are a few trans people who may feel excluded at work in the NHS. Surely there are. I don't believe there will be "very many" and I want my beliefs that sex matters and gender is 'personality' and that sex based protections for women need to remain sex based, to be worthy of discussion.

That speech is imo basically saying 'no debate' all over again.

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TheBiologyStupid · 30/06/2022 18:25

Thanks for the transcript, vivarium. Good grief, very "head teacher at a school assembly" vibe!

So who is doing the excluding here? I’m afraid it’s those of us in our profession with privilege – our gender, the colour of our skin, our sexuality, our class. The unearned advantages that mean it is so much easier for us to feel like we belong.
[...]
We need a heavy dose of empathy and to walk in others’ shoes. [Pink sparkly high heels, possibly?!]

We must not make assumptions about each other. On the other hand assuming the best is helpful. [So, are assumptions good or bad? It's hard to tell from this guff.]

And what about silence? Some are silent because they cannot find their voice; the space isn’t safe enough to say what they want to say.

But I have been silent on subjects in the past, causing a great deal of hurt. I am sorry for the hurt I have caused. We know silence is the voice of the oppressor. [But not if you're silenced but gender critical, you bigots!]

Words fail me.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/06/2022 16:27

Calyx72 · 28/06/2022 08:01

twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1541474620712407040

I like the part about free speech.

Especially as the icsp had that thread about Stonewall and peoples concerns that they are a political lobby group, disappeared.

Wonder if I should start a thread there with this?

Oh yes, that's an interesting idea.

I hadn't thought of it as censorship, but it is.

I was at the ARC - CEOs speech was unusual. Nothing about patients or terms and conditions, or about achieving excellence, just an exhortation for us to all play nicely with each other. There was a lot of eye rolling in the group I was sat with. I'm not at primary school, I know how to behave. Here's her transcript.

www.csp.org.uk/blog/2022/06/arc-2022-karen-middletons-conference-speech

Zeugma · 28/06/2022 08:45

Oops, sorry, I missed Bosky's post, which says it all much better!

Zeugma · 28/06/2022 08:42

I’m not a physio so forgive me for butting in, but have been reading this thread with mounting incredulity - just putting pieces together on seeing the mention of GIRES pop up, and especially this:
A Legacy of Kindness: Telling the Story of GIRES
Project Lead: Shaan Knan
Small world eh? That’s a name familiar to anyone here on the Allison Bailey thread….those dots just keep joining up.