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Calyx72 · 2022-02-11T20:56:02+00:00

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP" A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA [sad]

stealtheatingtunnocks · 22/07/2022 11:59

Is having a fetish a protected characteristic?

Perhaps I am old fashioned, but I liked the days when I didn’t know anything about my colleague’s private lives and we all focussed on the patients and service rather than each other’s need to be “whole selves”.

RadFizz · 22/07/2022 11:44

stealtheatingtunnocks · 22/07/2022 10:04

I see fetish man has removed his membership of CSP from his bio.

I wonder if JC has had an influence?

@stealtheatingtunnocks, fetish man is still listed as a member of the diversity committee so I doubt it. JC is yet to officially take up his council role - his influence may be limited at the moment.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/07/2022 11:04

Wouldn't think so, @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus . They surveyed us and counted "gender" not "sex".

www.hcpc-uk.org/globalassets/resources/factsheets/hcpc-diversity-data-2021-factsheet--physiotherapists.pdf

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 22/07/2022 10:44

Does the HCPC have any guidance that assists GC physios and other AHPs?

stealtheatingtunnocks · 22/07/2022 10:04

I see fetish man has removed his membership of CSP from his bio.

I wonder if JC has had an influence?

RadFizz · 22/07/2022 06:50

Ah the patient who tweeted that is in Australia so not much CSP can do. Not that I think they would anyway.

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Calyx72 · 22/07/2022 06:36

stealtheatingtunnocks · 22/07/2022 02:40

And so…Legal feminist points out law to physio clinic

I am glad women are finally starting to push back. Receptionist apparently said this was done because "a non binary person" used the clinic. I mean really? Change the toilets for one person? So they have a sex (but feel non-binary re gender) so surely can use the toilet for their sex.
Elaine (Gusset Grippers) my heroine has replied already as well. I

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 22/07/2022 02:40

And so…Legal feminist points out law to physio clinic

RadFizz · 11/07/2022 10:19

Wow, I can't believe Elaine commented! She clearly has no fucks left to give about being outed as GC. Good for her!

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Calyx72 · 08/07/2022 21:13

Only thing would be tweeting with hashtags CSP, iCSP, something for the GCs (SexMatters or similar), with the network and discussion names

But I am not doing that I would be tracked down via my Twitter

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Calyx72 · 08/07/2022 21:05

Thanks @LakeFlyPie

Love "delete and be damned" @stealtheatingtunnocks

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LakeFlyPie · 08/07/2022 20:56

I've been following this thread with interest; well done on a well written iscp post Calyx72 and what a fabulous reply by Elaine Miller.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 08/07/2022 20:47

Well, well, well. Delete that and be dammed, CSP.

How can we get your thread out so that others can add comments? You need a password to see it, so I don’t think Tweeting would work

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Calyx72 · 08/07/2022 20:25

Elaine Miller (@GussieGrips) has written a magnificent reply 😍

I am in shock and awe and also in love

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FionaMacCool · 08/07/2022 18:58

Brava Calyx

stealtheatingtunnocks · 08/07/2022 18:49

Good for you.

im going to walk the dog and draft a reply in my head.

thank you for your bravery. Courage calls, and all that

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Calyx72 · 08/07/2022 17:58

It was me, feeling anxious in case I am found out IRL but had to see if anything has changed.

Hopefully any discussion is respectful from the GC side, giving no excuse for a delete. Not that there was any disrespect in the last one that I saw, from the GC side, despite the deletion message.

Isn't it awful that we have to feel like this. I don't have any issues with trans people I just don't believe in "gender" it's personality; I want sex based rights protected specifically single sex spaces for women. I want someone to be able to ask for a male or a female physio without being called transphobic.

(Also I disagree with the medicalisation and surgeries of children and young people who may then regret it but that's not in the workplace/physio trade union sphere of course).

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 08/07/2022 17:32

Was that one of you lot?

I’m tempted to post, I have a LOT to say - good move to link it to censorship, anonymous!

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Calyx72 · 08/07/2022 16:15

iCSP under 'Profession wide' network- anonymous post "Gender critical discussion and CSP censorship"

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 07/07/2022 00:45

The origin of the thread was the removal of a post on iCSP asking reasonable questions about SW and their political position influencing policy at CSP. It’s not just some links - which include mermaids and gender gP and bloody Alok as quality sources of further education.

id love to be a fly on the wall next time RM and Gussie go for a pint. I also think that if they did it might sort stuff out, we appear to be operating from personality not policy at the moment. I am paying money for policy, not trying to second guess opaque systems from who has defriended who (Darren Borwn is not following Gussie any more, and I know they used to hang out) (well, I was once at a rhing and he told me they did) (it may need corroborating) to

RadFizz · 06/07/2022 23:19

Greycatwhitepaws · 05/07/2022 20:12

I can understand how some professional organisations may have brought in stonewall as consultants a few years ago, they had a strong reputation. But the CSP commissions them last flipping year. Anyone with GCSE research skills would have picked up the significant concerns about their legitimacy.

I don't think they commissioned them or are affiliated with them, they were just putting some links to Stonewall's website in the magazine. Albeit misguidedly!

Rachel M and blue-haired misogynist have not said a word about Jack's election and that's unlike them. Why the silence, I wonder?

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Calyx72 · 05/07/2022 22:43

@FionaMacCool don't worry about 'deflecting'. I said physio but all AHPs need to have these conversations and I am glad you are here

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FionaMacCool · 05/07/2022 21:24

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 05/07/2022 19:48

@FionaMacCool and, if we want to make the profession look less like me (I am a smiler, have a pony tail and am athletic, I am a walking stereotype) then we need to protect single sex spaces in the hope that e.g. soem Muslim women might choose to study physio. It makes no sense to make it harder for them to
exclude members or potential physios. We've got a workforce crisis, and it's not just that there aren't enough of us so we should be removing barriers.

I'm so angry about this. There must be way for us to find each other in real life and find others and DO SOETHING! Midwives and nurses manage, why are we all so quiet?

Well yes @vivariumvivariumsvivaria my profession is primarily white, middle class, noice ladies (funny how the few males quickly rise to leadership roles though). It would be good for parents of children with developmental challenges to meet a more diverse group of clinicians when they turn up with their concerns.
Where are the black, Muslim and Asian heritage therapists in OT or SLT or say, pelvic floor physio?

As for anger- well, I get to meet and assess and work with the confused, vulnerable children who are identifying as trans, and their overwhelmed parents. They need a calm non-judgemental and safe space to explore all their issues. If they progress to permanent transition, fine, peachy, I will walk with them all the way. But, I cannot, in conscience, affirm without questioning.

Sorry Calyx I dont want to deflect your thread so I'll go back to lurking now. I cant yet see any sign of another GCs in my own profession to start a conversation.

Greycatwhitepaws · 05/07/2022 20:12

I can understand how some professional organisations may have brought in stonewall as consultants a few years ago, they had a strong reputation. But the CSP commissions them last flipping year. Anyone with GCSE research skills would have picked up the significant concerns about their legitimacy.

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Calyx72 · 05/07/2022 19:49

Thanks @northender

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