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I’ll try and do screenshots @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus . 7 subscribers to the thread, maybe those are people who are not also on this thread?

The Kirrin Medcalf of Stonewall infamy fame?

I'm so sad that I can't see this thread.

Yes, Clayx. If they “take a stance” then the focus is not on patients.

I am able to work with both a TW who plays sport and a woman who sustained a SCI in a right match with a TW - because I am professional and able to keep my personal opinion out of it. If CSP “take a position” on TW in sport then does that compromise my professional scopr when working wirh these hypothetical patients?

Miller has replied on th iCSP thread. She says, ina round about way, that Kirrin Medcalf isn’t fit for purpose.

Anonymous goes on about white supremacists but misses the point that most TRAs are white men!

All those women Anonymous cites are WoC who have huge profiles, are published and respected for their comments on race. I wonder what Anonymous' point is?

Or whether Anonymous has watched Vaishnavi Sundar's "Dysphoric" www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRU9NIX0AA143z2QKukQcOqS96qriKGyw

Who is the "they" that Anonymous Series Of Numbers is wanging on about here?

"This statement completely misses the issues of intersectionality and the oppression of femininity. Transmisogyny is part of the same oppressive structure as misogyny and misogynoir. It should be a united struggle against paternalism, not broken into competing camps. Our warnings about how this is rooted in white supremacist systems and push to categorise for oppressive (and historic, colonial) reasons has been ignored. Violence against the feminine is the oppression and is disproportionately felt by transfemme people. We warned that there is a right wing branch of feminism aggressively denying the rights and existence of mainly trans women, and it is the same people denying that women of colour, particularly black women, face greater oppression than them. You only have to hear the experiences of people like Afua Hirsch, see the treatment of Chimene Suleyman, Monish Rajesh and Sunny Singh. It's the same people. They claim to protect women, but only the right sort of woman. In this stance, the CSP are not standing against transphobia or sexism. The statement is weak and splitting the issue is perpetuating misogyny, transmisogyny,
and femme-oppression. An own goal, sadly."

Anonymous is right, the statement completely misses the issues of intersectionality, but not in the way that the rest of the mumbo jumbo comment mumbles.

Disabled women, women of faith, lesbian and bi women, older women, impoverished women, immigrant women, those with learning disabilities and any of life's curve balls - those intersectional issues matter. Just not to my exec.

I see someone has commented on that page to say "right wing feminists" are denying the oppression of trans women much like they deny that of women of colour.

News to me that I'm right wing and now do I deny the oppression of WOC, what with being one myself...

Looks like fetish man isn't best pleased either but I doubt he'd be happy with anything but total capitulation to TWAW.

yes, @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus and add to that literacy challenges, poverty, learning disabilities, cultural practices, ESOL, faith requirements, and access to services in the first place.

But, no, they go on and on about trans issues. Makes me think that the people on the exec are either trans or have family members who are. It is a long time since we had a focus on actual patients.

I'm really pissed off about the CONSTANT "we must do better" with the subtext of "we are terrible people" without any sensible analysis of the issues.

I'm a professional. I don't need a lanyard or a badge to demonstrate that.

I can't tell you how much people with a range of disabilities would welcome a clear statement of commitment to ensuring accessibility of physio sessions—from the built environment to appropriate training of the physiotherapists in how to work with someone who is deaf, has vision impairment, working with cognitive deficits after a stroke etc.

Too boring. And it would take actual effort and commitment.

Transphobia and sexism - not ableism, ageism, sectarianism, islamaphobia, anti semitism, maternity discrimination, homophobia or racism, then?

those others don’t exist in society, or physio, or they do but we aren’t bovvvered?

im embarrassed by this half assed bullshit, I really am.

Transphobia includes the questioning of a transgender person's identity.

That's what got Dr Az Hakeem accused of conversion therapy - asking an ROGD kid whether there might be other stuff going on than gender. You know, exploring differential diagnoses and things which a decent psychiatrist or psychologist would be expected to do.

Fucking hell. That is bad.

interesting shift from the cancellation message when they pulled the original thread on iCSP, though.

Seems they're entirely happy not to define transphobia either, if I understand this correctly.

The statement does not define transphobia, but makes it clear that denying the gender of a transgender person is regarded as transphobic by the CSP.

If they think this is about 'denying gender,' the CSP isn't quite grasping this political, social, civic, and occupational issue at all, is it?

doesn't define sexism, though, does it?

Written from the assumption that we all know what gender is, that we all accept gender is a thing and that trans people are vulnerable.

Hmm saw this on Twitter earlier but it doesn't really make any sense. Are they conflating sexism with sex-based rights?

https://www.csp.org.uk/news/2022-07-25-csp-urges-members-be-effective-allies-transgender-people-women

This, exactly!