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Calyx72 · 11/02/2022 20:56

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP"

A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights

Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 01/02/2023 09:16

Is anyone doing this transphobia definition?

can we spread it ? Deadline tomorrow?

tonybasil · 01/02/2023 08:53

He displays the typical narcissistic characteristics that are so prevalent in advocates of gender ideology. It's all 'me' and 'my lived experience' and everyone needs to accept me and my opinions, beliefs and sexual proclivities. Where is the patient in all of this? As another poster said they are not there to validate you, and yes absolutely @HilarysMantelpiece I completely agree, there is a distinct lack of boundaries.

RadFizz · 01/02/2023 08:37

That ridiculous article is on the website now and comments are open. There's an interview with another gay physio which is fine but JH is an idiot.
https://www.csp.org.uk/frontline/article/being-your-whole-self-work

HilarysMantelpiece · 01/02/2023 08:00

"If you don't bring your whole self to work you're doing yourself and you're doing your patients a disservice" ...I think that's the quote?

Au contraire, I teach my students and junior staff, that boundaries are fundamental and so important in clinical care.

You leave your "stuff" outside the room.
I am here at the service of my patient, not to seek any solace, confirmation, validation, or even gratitude from them.
There is a very refined but utterly important difference between being self-aware and self-understanding; vs being selfish enough to bring your issues into the treatment session.

I feel quite angry at the thought that this might be being promoted as a "good thing" in clinical practice.

RadFizz · 31/01/2023 21:37

RadFizz · 31/01/2023 21:36

"I’ve been able to assert my working-class background, my socialist mentality, my LGBT+ identity" says to me that he spends all his time banging on about Jeremy Corbyn and his leather fetish, whether his coworkers want to listen to it or not.

To clarify, it's Jack with the fetish not Jeremy. (As far as I know!)

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 31/01/2023 21:36

I don't know about how to talk to each other securely.

How about a joint letter to CSP around the transphobia definition?

I'll start:

The definition of transphobia is whatever Jack Holyroyde says it is. If I get it wrong he'll say I'm a hateful bigot and frigid. I have read his twitter and I listened to some of his podcast and he tells me that saying anything that a trans person doesn't want to hear is transphobic. He thinks that leather is erotic and wee and hurting people.

RadFizz · 31/01/2023 21:36

"I’ve been able to assert my working-class background, my socialist mentality, my LGBT+ identity" says to me that he spends all his time banging on about Jeremy Corbyn and his leather fetish, whether his coworkers want to listen to it or not.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 31/01/2023 21:23

hope you are feeling well, @northender

Thats an important point - I have lots of things which are personal and none of my patients know any of them because I am good at my job and can manage to make the half an hour that is all the time they have to access help ALL ABOUT THEM.

I got a telling off for having my hair in a french plait and the plait was touching my collar, it had to be tucked up because of uniform rules. And this person has blue hair and a fetish in the workplace?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 31/01/2023 21:20

If I was his manager I'd think the idiot has a need of training on BASIC core skills.

"had a good time" is not a valid treatment goal outcome. Is he measuring that by how sexually aroused the patient is?

I say that because I saw his twitter before he deleted it. I heard from someone at a previous employer that he wears leather shoes at work and make sure that everyone notices - "look at my leather shoes. I like leather. I like to polish my leather". If I had a red flag I wouldn't offer to use it to polish his choice of workwear.

northender · 31/01/2023 20:12

I am astounded by the idea that we should want our patients to go away thinking they've had a "great time" wtaf?? I work in resp & I've got bronchiectasis. Now I could share that with all my patients but I don't because I'm professional & they don't need me to do that to feel happy with my care. FFS this is insane

Calyx72 · 31/01/2023 12:28

Totally agree @tonybasil The article is completely biased and unbalanced.

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 31/01/2023 10:34

bet he’s got a gimp in a box.

what about these? Can we use this to speak up to CSP? National guardians NHS

tonybasil · 31/01/2023 09:38

My copy of Frontline arrived yesterday, there's a history month too! - I thought Pride covered all of that.

'When I became a Physio I was forced into a box of professionalism' er yes and your point is?...

'I've been able to assert my working class background, my socialist mentality, my LGBT+ identity...' Why does one need to assert anything when treating patients. I personally am very careful to leave my politics, personal opinions and judgement outside the clinic when I am with patients. That is the 'box of professionalism' is it not? Or am I a prehistoric, bigot who needs educating?

God there's more but it would make this post too long...

Calyx72 · 30/01/2023 23:32

Of course FB not anonymous 😅

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Calyx72 · 30/01/2023 23:32

I think that's a great idea. We will see if our contributions are acknowledged.

I think we need to be able to remain anonymous to each other in case of infiltration by TRAs. Maybe MN is too niche for some of our audience though. We want numbers.

A problem is that not enough physios read Frontline or the CSP website (too busy!)

Can we maybe make a twitter group but anonymous accounts rather than professional accounts. Or a private group on Facebook. Any thoughts?

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/01/2023 23:13

Do we need to galvanise and get a group together to contribute to this "transphobia" definition which closes soon. Demand an impact assessment of TWAW on members. Demand they take mermaids off the site as a resource. Do it, Karen, or we'll send DB round to talk to you.

I don't know how things like this start off. DM on here? Is that secure enough? WhatsApp?

Calyx72 · 30/01/2023 23:05

I agree with all of this. I haven't opened Frontline yet. I may just leave it in the envelope

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/01/2023 20:35

Why do I need to announce my sexuality to anyone?

I remember the days when we were all a-political and private and concentrated on the patient instead of ourselves.

Exactly this!
I really don't feel that my>£400 annual fees are being well spent on these campaigns.
Some colleagues have been exploring leaving CSP and joining other unions e.g. UNISON, due to both cost and misrepresentation issues

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/01/2023 20:35

Why do I need to announce my sexuality to anyone?

I remember the days when we were all a-political and private and concentrated on the patient instead of ourselves.

RadFizz · 30/01/2023 15:23

My copy arrived today and I felt sick when I saw that smug blue-haired tosspot.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/01/2023 00:14

I've tried to understand what a micro aggression is.

I'm a bit busy dodging the rape threats and pay gap and unpaid domestic labour to figure it out.

Which is a pretty good fucking point.

LakeFlyPie · 30/01/2023 00:12

Latest copy of Frontline really annoyed me; could feel my anger rising as soon as I saw blue hair. What a load of narcissistic nonsense. Hadn't seen the 'predatory women' tweet before, what a misogynistic wanker. What is going on in the CSP? The bloody NHS is in crisis and physios are striking this month and Frontline has pages of lectures on micro aggression and the importance of announcing our sexuality 🤬

stealtheatingtunnocks · 29/01/2023 22:33

That is what, balance?

can’t wait. I always get frontline about 3 weeks after my colleagues. No one knows why. It just is how it works.

I am feeling less inclined to think Karen’s resignation is becaus she wants to retire and more because she thinks this is going to be a disaster and that Elaine will tear a new hole in JHs leather

Calyx72 · 29/01/2023 15:06

RadFizz · 29/01/2023 07:44

The article should be on their website soon so I hope commenting is turned on.

Jack has disappeared from Twitter but it's a good job I screenshot this. Perhaps one to send in to whoever is consulting about their definition of transphobia?

"Predatory women" FFS
Where's the evidence base for that? Have any women been predatory in changing rooms ever?

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RadFizz · 29/01/2023 07:44

The article should be on their website soon so I hope commenting is turned on.

Jack has disappeared from Twitter but it's a good job I screenshot this. Perhaps one to send in to whoever is consulting about their definition of transphobia?

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