Oh dear. A split.

Feminism is kind of like socialism. Everyone has their own understanding of it and how it works. I don’t agree with the ideals held by a lot of socialists or feminists, but I believe in the ideals as a whole.

Oh I've found that RS 'domesticated zombies' tweet. Not only did she say that but I see Sarah Ditum agreed with her. I hope there's a truckload of context that I've missed.

At least KJK doesn’t mock the very women that support her. I’m still reeling from Ruth’s comment, it’s so disheartening to see how women like myself are truly viewed by some academic feminists. I’ve donated a lot of money to WPUK over the years and certainly won’t again.

Did Ruth Serwotka really use the phrase 'domesticated zombies'?

And anyone who is shocked to hear that women disagree needs to go and educate themselves.

Because women are not a cult, unlike some other groups 🙄

[quote julieca]@Redlake you should know by now you cant say anything critical here about Kellie Jay. You are wasting your time.[/quote]
You can say what you like within guidelines.

What you can't do is require agreement. You give your opinion, others will give theirs, that's what a chat forum is. Other people not agreeing with you are not doing anything wrong. Again: you may like to look up 'splitting'. It was an interesting choice of word by the OP.

From my understanding of what was said in the video, Kellie-Jay Keen is calling out mean or snobbish behaviour by people who identify as feminists.

Fair point IMO. Looking down on other people because they may be of a certain class or do not have similar intellectual pursuits as you is crappy behaviour, whether or not you are a feminist.

[quote julieca]@Redlake you should know by now you cant say anything critical here about Kellie Jay. You are wasting your time.[/quote]
No, there are number of posters here who either dislike or disagree with PP. There's been a few spirited discussions on here in the past.

However, there is support for the idea that one can disagree on some things but agree and work together towards a common aim. This is what the word "ally" used to be.

Feminists have always disagreed on stuff and I for one have appreciated the different view points so that I can develop my own viewpoints rather than be spoon fed "one pure truth"

It may surprise you, but most people are of independent mind,

Unclear if that’s true tbh, or the trans privilege movement would never have taken off. I think it might be more accurate to say that almost everyone is “of independent mind” to at least the same degree as OP.

A split in what?
Women are not a hive mind!

@Redlake you should know by now you cant say anything critical here about Kellie Jay. You are wasting your time.

I have a lot of time for PP. I don't agree with everything she says but I like her straight talk and I like how she doesn't waiver from her beliefs and her priority is women and girls. I'm all for that.

I am of independent mind and not easily persuaded by anyone telling me what I should think.

It may surprise you, but most people are of independent mind, which is why you will find people who may agree on one issue will disagree on others. Kellie Jay and Ruth disagreeing, isn't news nor a surprise.

OP, how do you view the ideas espoused by Ruth, that stay at home mothers are domesticated zombies and that transwomen are on a journey to womanhood?

That is a hilarious take.

No. No split. KJK has been vocally independent for a very long time. As have others.

By the sounds of it OP, you support KJK's position (supported by many others) as an independent thinker.

Doesn't mean that she does not support feminist values. Many people don't call themselves feminists but would probably be viewed as being feminists because of our values (yes, I don't call myself a feminist, but I am certainly a huge supporter of the rights of all females so probably am one. I just don't like labels.)

So, this is in no way any 'gotcha'. She has been saying this for at least two years since I have been watching her videos.

I am of independent mind and not easily persuaded by anyone telling me what I should think

Methinks the OP doth protest too much

I don't think it's a great idea for people on our side of the argument to fall out publicly.

But being attacked for it by a TRA is a bit much. These are people whose name for post-operative transsexuals is "truscum".

You may be interested in the psychological meaning of split/splitting OP:

Signs of psychological splitting:

Thinking in complete opposites or absolutes.
People are either good or bad.
Not accepting of other’s views.
Idolising individuals, then condemning them.
Raising one’s own esteem by belittling others who think differently.
Constantly changing one’s mind over important issues.
Employing a changeable perspective of others.
Switching allegiance quickly.

If I was OP and I found that the people who disagree with me were extraordinarily diverse in their opinions and attitudes and disagree with each other frequently, while the people who appear to agree with me are constantly terrified of saying the wrong thing and march in narrow lockstep…

I’d be questioning whether I was really on the right side of history.

But then, if OP was inclined towards questioning they’d have a different set of ideas.