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Prisons Judicial Review: Judgement

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KeepPrisonsSingleSex · 02/07/2021 09:02

It's finally here...
The judgement in the prisons judicial review R (FDJ) v SSJ
will be handed down by email at 10.30 am today...

Here is a reminder of what it was about:

www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/judicial-review-campaign-update

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SirVixofVixHall · 04/07/2021 18:06

I have donated to the crowdfunder.

RedDogsBeg · 04/07/2021 16:38

Interesting comments from Robert Jenrick, Housing Minister:

Speaking to Times Radio, Mr Jenrick said: I think there's a matter of biology, of course, what is a woman. I mean absolutely, I agree with Liz Truss. That's the point that she's made in the past.

Undoubtedly, of course we want to ensure that those people who are trans can live their life comfortably.

I want everyone to be able to live their life the way they want to and be happy and to find love wherever they can do.

One does have to be aware of the impact on other people and that means we have to be particularly sensitive in terms of some of those settings that we as a government are responsible for like schools, like hospitals, like prisons.

One has to tread carefully and think through all of the consequences of this for other members of society.

ChristinaXYZ · 04/07/2021 14:34

Keep Prisons Single Sex are raising money for continuing the fight (not a specific legal action). It can be found by digging. They want to keep Fighting for sex-based rights of women in prison

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/07/2021 12:45

“Tonight a rapist is in a women’s prison. That’s how progressive your gender identity politics are.”
ruthserwotka

twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1411104070052499460

Prisons Judicial Review: Judgement
HighNetGirth · 04/07/2021 12:07

And of course, the fact that the policy has to be challenged this way rather than killed off or never implemented in the first place is disgraceful and deeply depressing.

teawamutu · 04/07/2021 12:02

Has the Times reported on this yet? They're usually really on it.

HighNetGirth · 04/07/2021 12:00

"Whether that poster recognises their argument is exactly the same as ones popular with MRAs, I don't know"

I am not suggesting that what I wrote means everything is hunky dory by any means. First, reading that judgment I detect a lack of enthusiasm for the decision the judges have felt compelled to give. This does not read to me like a sweeping endorsement of the current orthodoxy. Second, I think that the implicit warning to HMPPS is an indication that they are expected to perform the assessments and data gathering that render the policy lawful impeccably, so that natal women do receive the protection to which they are entitled. Third, HMPPS will never manage to do that, so not only are individual challenges likely, they will (I hope) kill this awful policy off by showing that the reality is simple: women cannot be protected mentally or physically while this policy is in place so TW should be housed entirely separately.

OvaHere · 04/07/2021 10:49

@Outbutnotoutout

twitter.com/NoXYinXXprisons/status/1408132018873962504

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/07/2021 10:47

Where can I find this...I have a space

If you put these terms into a search engine it should be the top result.

crowdfunder keep prisons single sex

Outbutnotoutout · 04/07/2021 10:45

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

dear god this is so fucking depressing.

I've donated to the crowdfunder (and will do so again next month if it's still running)

I've written to my MP

what else can I do?

Mixed sex prisons in the UK. Women prisoners being used like therapy dogs for violent males.

it's unconscionable.

Where can I find this...I have a space
Outbutnotoutout · 04/07/2021 10:44
Getting the women ready to be raped, but making sure there's no evidence (babies)

C**ts

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 04/07/2021 09:15

dear god this is so fucking depressing.

I've donated to the crowdfunder (and will do so again next month if it's still running)

I've written to my MP

what else can I do?

Mixed sex prisons in the UK. Women prisoners being used like therapy dogs for violent males.

it's unconscionable.

Welloff · 04/07/2021 08:26

Op can you link to the 2009 case you mention in the interview? Is it online?

TheHandmadeTails · 03/07/2021 23:02

Katy Jon Went. I had never seen KJW until a couple of weeks ago but recently popped up on Today and GB News.

Kate Coleman was fantastic! So clear. GB News do seem to actually let their guests speak and finish their points.

Imnobody4 · 03/07/2021 22:10

Kate's interview on GB News
twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1411415745712513024?s=09
She's so clear precise. Well done.
Neil Oliver was so scared of saying the 'wrong' thing which amazed me considering the channel is supposed to be for free speech. I don't think he knew anything about the subject.
There was another interviewee who's name I didn't catch who was minimising numbers etc

KeepPrisonsSingleSex · 03/07/2021 21:45

@Waitwhat23

Impressed to see that the crowdfunder has jumped from just over £3k to just over £5k since this morning!
Me too!

Thank you so much everyone!

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Waitwhat23 · 03/07/2021 21:22

Impressed to see that the crowdfunder has jumped from just over £3k to just over £5k since this morning!

SirVixofVixHall · 03/07/2021 18:06

@teawamutu

I'm not depressed like I normally am the day after a setback.

Partly because we literally couldn't buy the publicity this loss has given us. And partly because I'm more in a 'fuck this shit we riot at dawn' space.

Judicial reviews don't work for us because so much of this crap is legal. So let's fucking sue.

Can we crowdfund for the victim? Can we set up the GC Law Project and have a fighting fund for cases?

And if it's legal, the law must change. Writing to my MP today.

Also writing my MP, as is DH.
ScreamingMeMe · 03/07/2021 18:02
"Risky sex" Angry
Leafstamp · 03/07/2021 17:52

@OffYouGoNow

Has anyone got a good template to use to write to MPs? I wouldn’t know what to write apart from - What the actual hell is happening...
You might get some ideas from here:

sex-matters.org/posts/prisons/prison_jr/

I said (slightly paraphrased):

I am moved to write with the utmost concern regarding the unfolding situation for women's spaces. You will likely be aware of this week's case allowing transgender males to be housed in female prisons.

This case has pushed the question of single sex services back to government. Judges acknowledged the harm to women of allowing transgender males (trans women) into women's prisons, but declared it lawful.

The Government's new LGBT Champion (Lord Herbert) says its' a 'culture war' that government shouldn't pick a side on.

Please can I urge you to speak up on these matters. Taking a side on this issue is required as a moral imperative. This government cannot allow women's spaces to be infiltrated by males identifying as women. Spaces include not just prisons, but in sports, rape and domestic violence refuges, toilets etc.

BatmansBat · 03/07/2021 17:52

www.smobserved.com/story/2021/07/02/news/california-womens-prison-passes-out-condoms-to-inmate-population-as-arrival-of-transwomen-causes-explosion-of-risky-sex/5800.html

Prisons in California allegedly passing out condoms before the transwomen arrives. Nice.

OffYouGoNow · 03/07/2021 17:40

Has anyone got a good template to use to write to MPs? I wouldn’t know what to write apart from - What the actual hell is happening...

Leafstamp · 03/07/2021 17:34

@teawamutu

I'm not depressed like I normally am the day after a setback.

Partly because we literally couldn't buy the publicity this loss has given us. And partly because I'm more in a 'fuck this shit we riot at dawn' space.

Judicial reviews don't work for us because so much of this crap is legal. So let's fucking sue.

Can we crowdfund for the victim? Can we set up the GC Law Project and have a fighting fund for cases?

And if it's legal, the law must change. Writing to my MP today.

This is the same as me. Wrote to my MP this morning.
Datun · 03/07/2021 16:20

If it can be so openly stated by the judiciary that the protection of women from sex offenders can be abandoned in favour of the demands of these criminals wanting access to their victims for validation purposes, then who is going to hold the line for children's safety.

This.

I know I keep saying it, but it's insane.

Men aren't women! You can't change sex.

GrownUpBeans · 03/07/2021 16:08

Thanks kpss. Good luck with the interview.