Prisons Judicial Review: Judgement

Will I have to hand in my feminist card if I say I loved your earrings on GB News KeepPrisonsSingleSex?

keepprisonssinglesex Katie John Went, who spoke after you, was not being truthful. They claimed that most people with a GRC have fully transitioned bodily….that is an outrageous lie! 85% of trans women retain their male genitalia.

I would also add that sadly many men take their own lives in prison, that doesn’t give men access to the female estate though-why on earth this small cohort of men who identify as women, are treated differently is beyond me.

Also worth pointing out: compare the numbers of category A prisoners for the male and female estate.

There are a number of category A prisons for men. There are so few category A women prisoners there is not even one designated prison for them.

A category A male prisoner moving from the mens estate to the women's estate is automatically moving to an easier, lower regime than they would be allowed if they were in the men's estate. Comparable women prisoners number something like 8-15 at most in the entire estate.

Transwomen are male. That is what the trans means. No male people should be housed in the female estate, and it is especially outrageous to inflict male serious sex offenders upon the exact group they offended against to meet the choices and needs of the male prisoner. Access to female people regardless of their consent is not a right. Those female people insisting that it should be are very welcome to go be locked up with these prisoners and to personally provide the female company and nurture they feel should be available. Their body, their choice, and presumably they'll accept the risk or any actual harm to themselves as properly risk assessed, nothing to worry about, and not mind if it happens.

I'd also repeat for those at the back: reflect on what 'serious sex offender' in terms of a several year prison sentence actually means. Bearing in mind that less than 1% of rapes ends in a successful prosecution, never mind a prison sentence. To be imprisoned, for several years, under the label of 'serious sex offender' - just reflect on the number and severity of crimes committed against women and/or children for a court to award that? The danger seen to the general public to award that?

Some people's boundaries and sense of right and wrong is just beyond fucked. There is nothing about this that is ok. Nothing.

I’ve just checked , and to answer my own question, it’s not the same person, but my god that story is horrific. How the hell was that person allowed to speak out about anything?

Is the “ Karen Jones” mentioned in that attached thread the same person who made the horrible sign about JKR that was seen last weekend? The MO sounds very similar, if not the same.

Interestingly that obviously points to mixed sex prisons.

That however is definitely not the right answer (???!!!).

Also the idea that males at risk in men's prisons should all get the protection of women's prison is also definitely not s good idea...

Logical, eh?

There is an answer and I've seen it on here... It was on this thread earlier I think?

It goes.

Everyone is capable of crime.

Both sexes commit violent and sex offences (ignore stats and common sense about male v female propensity to committing those crimes).

It's the type of offence that is important not the sex of the criminal.

Female violent / sex offenders are in with the women. The risk is assessed and managed. Transwomen violent / sex offenders should be managed in the same way.

Situations like Karen white were a process failure that's all.

Men and women are subjected to violence in prison. Why don't you care about that? (Don't we?!)

It's the violence that needs to be addressed (ongoing really difficult massive thing with little success from the charities that do that and private companies and public not interested and little chance of more money) so sort that out! (Rather than pushing for female prisons to be female, and transwomen (and others at risk in men's prisons?) being accomodated in a way that mitigates that risk. (Recent change, public generally think ??).

Anything to avoid engaging with the points being made. Attacks and childish smears is the only option.

Well, there is another option, but that's having to engage and admit that one thinks it's fine for vulnerable women to be locked up with rapists, but no one has the cojones to just come out and say that.

On this topic with you OP.

It goes. These are the approved media outlets. Oh they won't allow any views on this? ( That the vast majority of women in the population will agree with)...

Shame. Looks like you have no way of getting more awareness of the issues as you see them.

You've spoken to them instead? BAD. You are plainly evil to the core...

It's what I believe they call a catch 22..!

Oh thanks OP!

What this has taught me. And it's a big change in a way.

Although I have on my book pile the communist manifesto, and Lenin. And I would be interested to read mein kampf and Mao. And I have read plenty of things by eg various extreme religions, cults, anti abortion sites etc.

This interest in trying to understand the reasoning, why people went for it etc.

I did have a blind spot with the news outlets.

This one good this one bad.

This has made me read stuff from all sorts of sources.

If you ignore what those with views you don't like are saying, you have no chance of understanding what is wanted and why it has traction. How can you argue against something if you don't know what their arguments are and why they are supported by some/ lots of people?

Sitting in a self righteous bubble of me right they wrong end of. Is. Well it's arrogant and lacks... Interest? Curiosity? Not sure of the word.

The world is becoming so polarised on so many topics. There is undoubtedly a rise in extremism around religion and more.

It's a real worry.

What, the group fighting against women being raped in prison? Their credibility is in
pretty good standing unless you are someone who agrees with state sanctioned rape.

Which group?

Need more info please.

GB news?

Who what?

Not seen it.

Confused. Who is on it?

Wow... is being on GB News a good things for a groups credibility in not wanting to appear completely right wing?

PLEASE sign the petition on recording the correct sex in crimes committed in Scotland, it’s is on the petition section and it’s the last two hours to sign!!!

Their practices so far show they realy dont give a shit, they are breaking international rules bus as long as there is no real come back I really doubt they will change.

The shock has faded mostly, I just feel sort of numb. Have there been any protests does anyone know?
Health scare yesterday (I actually think this was a contributing factor) ment I have not been keeping up.

I’ve written to my MP.

It hasn’t quelled the rage though.