The Big Lie - how the WEP was always about gender rather than sex

I feel like I'm going mad everytime someone explains to me that as a feminist I must include all trans identifying males. It blows my mind.

this weird idea that men who believe so strongly in gendered stereotypes that they think 'feeling like a woman' can make you one have any kind of common cause with feminists just blows my mind

Not so much that they're showbiz luvvies, but Mayer and Toksvik are both the emigre children of foreigners who went to elite GSA schools.

debate is a threat eh?

it is when your position is pure bollocks I guess

To paraphrase a certain person “enjoy your erasure WEP” what an embarrassment they are

Is this the consultation on what a woman is? They've decided to drop it?

What a waste of space the WEP is.

I suspect that a political party that only focuses on one group, is unelectable.

For a political party, I just want one that values equality, where no-one group can trample over the rights of other groups and call them phobic or facist for disagreeing with them. I want an equality party for ordinary people and ALL the protected characteristics under the equality act. The reason we're in this mess is because one group said #nodebate and doesn't care about or listen to other groups.

I had always really liked Sandi toksvig and enjoyed her book; I can see why she might have been wanting to support other marginalised groups after the prejudice she faced as a lesbian. But I would like to know if she has changed her mind at all over time. I admire people who admit that they got it wrong or supported causes for the wrong reasons, but have thought more about it. I hope that she is one of those.

I was a founding member of the WEP. I had no idea that they did not know what a woman was (I guess why should I?) When women actually start to wake up about the takeover of women’s rights and identity I think all hell is going to be let loose. Waiting for very real earthquake for gender ideology .. women’s/girls rights and even children’s safety is at risk. I am telling everyone I know, we need to get the word out.

the fact that Catherine Mayer and Sandi Toksvig gave themselves lifetime positions within the party is very revealing

this was for them, not for women as a class, wasn't it? after a couple of years of the proles taking an interest, they wanted to make very sure that no-one could take their toy away from them

That poem is absolutely outstanding!!

I always thought it was more a naice, kind, inclusive party for head girl types and their friends. I remember Sandi left The News Quiz to go and work on it and presented something on television instead.

I was never sure what they were intended to do, with us all being equal now and all that. Then it turned out that some people are not so equal when anyone is a woman. But that is ok if everyone can be a woman. Apaz.

Women in shelters or prisons were never going to be on WEP’s radar.

I'm surprised she didn't ask me why the nanny couldn't put the children to bed

god, you didn't expect to participate in politics as a single mother did you Clymene ?

they were going to save you and tell you what was best for you, it wasn't your place to participate or help decide

good heavens

Yeah the maternity ward thing really brought home to me how teeth achingly middle class WEP was. All their meetings here were at 6pm and I emailed (as a founding member) saying that it was time for kids tea/bedtime and I couldn't get out at that time as a single mother.

I got a reply saying that it was after work and so convenient for most women but they'd consider making meetings at different times. Never heard another word and so I left.

The WEP was never about all women, and never pretended to be although I did think they were about rights for cunty women rather than anyone who identified as such so this has shocked me.

I also thought Meyer had buggered off so learning that she's lifetime president (and toksvig is lifetime something else) is v disappointing.

I'm surprised the woman who wrote the article is still in. Some women were asking women for support the other day, still hopelessly believing they can change it from the inside. Clearly that was never going to happen and will never happen

oh bloody hell

WEP make me so furious, with their belief that letting men stay overnight on maternity wards is some sort of vote winning policy that women will get behind

like everyone lives in their world, the unimaginative twerps

I can’t find the screenshots right now but Sandi Toksvig knows exactly what a woman is AND what a lesbian is. She’s joked on QI about lesbians not being into penis. She just doesn’t have the guts to follow that its logical conclusion.

I can understand as a lesbian Sandi would object to a male penis but surely she'd be willing to accept lady penis? Not as if she'd be transphobic.

Genuinely mortified for Sandi Toksvig. I'm embarrassed for her. I thought she was more intelligent than that.