Trans-man who gave birth is a Guardian Journalist

There was a very similar court case in Germany recently.

The Court there ruled that birth certificates are for recording the truth about a child's origins, and for those purposes the mother is the person out of whose womb the child had come, regardless of the legal gender status of the person giving birth at the time of giving birth or subsequently.

Which is the only sane decision, I think.

I'm trying my best to have compassion here but I'm really not understanding why giving your child a lifetime of having to explain why there's no mother on their birth certificate is in their best interests. Is this about the child or about the parent? Being trans is ultimately the parent's decision - albeit not an easy one I'm sure - but it's up to the parent to carry any burden of complexities of explanation, not the child. That's what parents do.

Indeed, who is the actual father?

The arrogance in this article is astounding.

I haven't had a chance to read the article but who would go down as the mother on the BC? Would it be blank?

It really is striking how disconnected some people are from the reality of their body. Being pregnant, giving birth and breastfeeding are the only time in my life that I felt a proper awareness that I am female. I don't mean in a gender identity sense, I mean in a "I have a female body and am doing something only a person with a female body can ever do" kind of sense. I don't have that feeling during my period, maybe because it's something I am used to, although it is true of that as well. If I was a genderist who felt that their true self was male, getting pregnant would be the last thing I would want to do, I would imagine.

This.

If I was a gambling person I'd put money on this madness being allowed.
Why would a person who identifies as male want to do something so obviously feminine?

So who is the actual father?

He wants to be a man when it suits him and a woman when it suits him. If he wants to be a man then he should only be registered as such when he has a penis. As he gave birth when he had a vagina he was a woman!

“Having an accurate birth certificate is vital as it stays with someone for their entire life and forms part of their identity."

Clearly that isn't true. Oh the irony.

My mind boggles there. How can you claim to be a man, to feel like a man but also get pregnant and give birth to a child, which is the most womanly thing you can do??

The cognitive dissonance is scary there...

eaudear, it makes no sense to be disgusted by your biological sex and yet perform the most fundamental function of it, reproduction. Totally and utterly baffling.

Reading that Ex her actions seem deceptive, I'm keen to know the judges decision.

I haven't seen the documentary but I'll look it up - I'm reminded of a similar subject on a BBC3 doc about two transmen who had a baby with a sperm donor but wanted to both be named as the father (or father and parent, I can't remember) on the birth certificate and being very cross that they couldn't have their own way. Wherever they are now I'm sure they are eargerly awaiting the outcome of this.

Yes, involving your own child in the delusion that you are their father when you gave birth to them - it's kind of selfish isn't it? It a goes back to everyone having to play along for it to work doesn't it?

And I'm sure people will compare this to homosexual parents when it is totally incomparable.

A lesbian or gay couple who have a child will presumably be open with the child about how they conceived. That one of them is not their biological parent etc Everything is still factual and out there, no one has to say anything that isn't true.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/TT-anonymity-judgment-150719.pdf

I really don't get how you can so strongly feel that you are 'male on the inside' and then do such a 'female' thing like getting pregnant? And then decide that you want to be registered as 'father' on the birth certificate?!

It's crazy!

Helping the kid out with their biology homework will be fun in a few years time.

Ugh - this makes me mad - biologically only a woman with a womb can give birth (or so I was brought up to believe!)

Now a trans person calls herself a father to the child. That child is going to be very confused when asking who his/her other parent is.

It really is striking how disconnected some people are from the reality of their body. Being pregnant, giving birth and breastfeeding are the only time in my life that I felt a proper awareness that I am female. I don't mean in a gender identity sense, I mean in a "I have a female body and am doing something only a person with a female body can ever do" kind of sense. I don't have that feeling during my period, maybe because it's something I am used to, although it is true of that as well. If I was a genderist who felt that their true self was male, getting pregnant would be the last thing I would want to do, I would imagine.

So can a child change their birth cert if the man in the ‘father’ box was a deadbeat but their stepdad was more of a dad than ‘father’ was? It’s just a word.

That poor kid.

The judgment later this week is going to be interesting

Only women can give birth-this person is the childs Mother-but they have chosen to take testosterone, have their breasts 're shaped' and grow facial hair. That is their choice but it does not make them the Father.

Ha!

It's easy - it's just paperwork and admin. You can keep all your bits, so you can father children or give birth to them according to your biological sex which is what it is.