Trans-man who gave birth is a Guardian Journalist

@JackyHolyoake
Indeed, definitely in breach of 2.1.c. How to reconcile the intention to live permanently as a man with getting pregnant?

The legal case is a political initiative, it seems to me.

The GRA 2004 is explicit that, where a parent transitions after becoming a parent and obtains a GRC, no child of that parent's Birth Certificate can be changed. That is, if it is the Father who transitions, the father cannot change his status to Mother and vice versa.

This case is about where the parent transitions and obtains a GRC before becoming a parent.

This raises the question of the validity of the granting of the GRC.

It also raises the question of whose needs are paramount here: is it that of the child needing to know who is its Mother; or is it the needs of the adult who obtained a GRC to achieve legal male status?

[Personally, I would like to see the GRC rescinded in this case, since it was obtained in breach of the current requirements [see 2.1a and 2.1c]:

2 Determination of applications
(1) In the case of an application under section 1(1)(a), the Panel must grant the application if satisfied that the applicant—
(a) has or has had gender dysphoria,
(b) has lived in the acquired gender throughout the period of two years ending with the date on which the application is made,
(c) intends to continue to live in the acquired gender until death, and
(d) complies with the requirements imposed by and under section 3.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/2

Freddie will gaslight the child into believing that men can give birth.

My son is autistic and never believed in Santa/Father Christmas, in fact he was stressed to the eyeballs that some weird man would creep into his room and leave him presents. So Christmas became in our household a time to leave each other gifts under the tree. As for the tooth fairy!

LassOfFyvie responding to underthebridgedowntown

I'm donor conceived, but my dad (as in the man who brought me up) is named as my father on my birth certificate. Don't know if legislation is any different now, but it's not made a difference that it isn't biologically accurate

If your parents were married there was always an automatic assumption the man your mother was married to goes on the bc. That still applies- the husband of a married surrogate is still the default father.

If your parents weren't, your mother's partner could simply have gone along with your mother to register the birth - same as any unmarried father.

There are other permutations, including 2 mothers , one of whom will have no genetic connection to the child.

Doesn’t this tend to give the lie to any suggestion that birth certificates are a record of the (biological) truth?

How did Freddy intent to explain to their child that they had no mother?

Don’t know if this will work:

So half sister acts as surrogate for her half brother and his husband/partner. She won’t be mum but special aunt. Because adoption is too expensive (I assume from abroad?). So more lies to a child then. But then the truth would be bloody confusing anyway.

apple.news/A0t6fblgeQ7CmuHo34jVqMg

Woman gives birth to her brother's baby - because adoption is too expensive - Mirror Online

What is the point of birth certificates anymore? If they don’t record the parents names and even the sex can be changed at a later date, why not just keep a five bar gate to count the number of kids born that day? The rest of the data appears to be entirely a matter for dispute.

I would think so.

I guess they will tell them that it doesn't matter? It seems like that is the root of it, they think it totally doesn't matter.

And people bang on about not telling kids about Santa, Easter bunny or god ‘because it’s lying’. 🙄

They do realise that their child will work it out don’t they?

A lesbian or gay couple who have a child will presumably be open with the child about how they conceived. That one of them is not their biological parent etc Everything is still factual and out there, no one has to say anything that isn't true.

Not always. I know a lesbian couple who are dead set that their kids have no father. I don't know how they will make this fly as they get older, the eldest now is eight I think. But they are very serious about it and almost seem to believe it is true.

What’s to stop the child changing the birth certificate when they grow up anyway? It’s their document. The parent can’t expect to own both their own and their child’s certificate.

@azulmariposa

Trans activists want to get rid of these distinctions, so that men can get pregnant, and women have a penis. Funnily enough, transwomen are the ones who get all the attention and the political representation and the celebrity status. Transmen only make the news when they get pregnant. It's almost as if even as trans, men get all the power and women make babies.

Forgive me for being naive, but surely if you want to be, or think you are a man, then you wouldn't want to have periods, get pregnant or give birth? All things that only a woman can do?

Rational and logical thought alert! Quick, call the stupid police.

This clearly tells you all you need to know. Or. Does. It. The link applies to those who donate sperm or eggs.

www.gov.uk/legal-rights-for-egg-and-sperm-donors

However:

Children born from 2005 onward do have a legal right to know who their genetic parent is.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/jan/22/politics.health

So. That's all very clear and settled then.

Is it safe to get pregnant after years on hormones? Is there much evidence on the risks?

What a lot of confusion and heartache.

Forgive me for being naive, but surely if you want to be, or think you are a man, then you wouldn't want to have periods, get pregnant or give birth? All things that only a woman can do?

So let’s get down the the nitty gritty. The baby was conceived ‘the normal route’ (by accident or design) or by artificial insemination (definitely by design). Either way, there’s no way this would have been a surprise outcome.

That poor poor kid. It's the most basic of human rights.

I’m really angry at the way children are becoming ignored in so many of these issues, when they should always be the priority. Surrogacy. Transgenderism. Safeguarding around bathrooms, sleeping arrangements etc it’s fucking always kids who are most at risk if the changes activists want go ahead. When will we ever bloody learn.

I'm donor conceived, but my dad (as in the man who brought me up) is named as my father on my birth certificate. Don't know if legislation is any different now, but it's not made a difference that it isn't biologically accurate

If your parents were married there was always an automatic assumption the man your mother was married to goes on the bc. That still applies- the husband of a married surrogate is still the default father.

If your parents weren't, your mother's partner could simply have gone along with your mother to register the birth - same as any unmarried father.

There are other permutations, including 2 mothers , one of whom will have no genetic connection to the child.

www.gov.uk/register-birth/who-can-register-a-birth

Indeed, who is the actual father?

Article said artificial insemination by donor. If from an official source the donor obviously has no further rights or obligations and won't be on the birth certificate.

If unofficial then name could go on birth certificate if both agreed and notwitstanding that he is responsible for financial maintenance of his child.

@dancingcamper sperm donors don't get recorded, or at least not on my birth certificate (mid 80s). I'm donor conceived, but my dad (as in the man who brought me up) is named as my father on my birth certificate. Don't know if legislation is any different now, but it's not made a difference that it isn't biologically accurate.

I realise the birth certificate is the child's but as a mother I'd be pretty annoyed to have the record of the birth I went through and the baby I raised altered. No matter how accepting I might be about that child's current situation and identity, why should my history as a mother be erased/altered?

Also, while I realise that trans people might really feel the need to change their birth certificate to create a legal fiction, it's not fair for a parent to impose that on their child for their own comfort or validation. It's not their document. It's the child's. It has to reflect the child's reality, not the parent's own, unique and very subjective reality.