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Good night stories for rebel girls

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SunshineOutdoors · 23/05/2019 21:36

Dd (7) was given this book as a gift. Reading it together she came across one story about a boy who I think became transgender (didn’t look too long at the page or read the whole story). Dd became quite cross because there was a boy in her story that’s meant to be just about girls (her, slightly paraphrased, words). I’m a bit cross too to be honest because I thought the premise of this book was great as a discussion point about women’s history and how hard it has been for them. I appreciate this story has its place and that the person in it has also probably experienced their own challenges, but I’m surprised that it was included in this book and also intrigued by dd’s reaction (which I shared to be honest). Not sure what I hope to gain from this thread but just a bit sad I suppose that what is supposed to be a women themed book felt it needed to include this, and sad that my daughter’s natural reaction to it is probably not going to be seen as acceptable as she grows up. Just highlighted for me the erosion of women only spaces I suppose.

I didn’t really talk it through with dd in much detail(hence not fully reading the story). She just wanted to turn the page and read about someone else, which I was happy to do. I suppose it just jarred with me - thinking in terms of explaining to her how some of these women weren’t allowed to go to school,vote, be who they wanted to be because they are women and I didn’t feel the need for this - an equally valid story of an individual but not someone with the experience of being put down because you’re a woman and all the history and politics that goes with it - to be included in the book.

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TheBullshitGoesOn · 23/05/2019 22:58

I haven't bought it because of the inclusion of that story. It has really annoyed me as I would otherwise be keen to get it for the DC.

As an aside, DD(8) got very annoyed by a drag act in a recent BBC dance show. Their name was 'something' Girls.(can't recall exactly what). Her statement was 'i don't care what they wear, but they are not girls'. I'm sure she would have a similar response to the transgirl story in this book.

Lumene · 23/05/2019 22:46

I gave a gift copy away.

AncientLights · 23/05/2019 22:43

I found my granddaughter's copy of this in my bookshelves. Didn't know what to do with it because of the offending, utterly ridiculous inclusion of a boy. So far I've just hidden it and may bring it out when she's a bit older, had a thorough grounding in 2nd wave feminism and we can analyse the boy bit. Hopefully with some humour.

ShowOfHands · 23/05/2019 22:16

My dd wrote to the editor and complained. She was 10.

Outofinspiration · 23/05/2019 22:13

Oh this pissed me off no end, and all the talk of how Coy likes pink and glitter. I couldn't believe it was in a book that is supposed to be about breaking down gender stereotypes. I meant to glue the pages together but I forgot and now my kids always want to read that page Hmm I have tried to use it as an opportunity to make my views on it known to them, so I say that boys cannot actually ever become girls, even if they do love pink and glitter. My kids tell me that he was a boy but is now a girl, but I'm persevering with my message in a way that doesn't make any personal judgements about the child in question. I don't want my kids thinking that transgender people are 'bad'.

This though:

My dds have written “and one horrible boy” over his face...

Are you serious?

Mercedes519 · 23/05/2019 22:06

So glad it isn’t just me....

Yes children, if you are a boy and you like pink things you must be a girl. Angry

Reducing a hugely complex issue into reinforcing gender stereotypes

SexPayGap · 23/05/2019 22:04

I was cross about this too. My daughter didn’t bother reading it when she realised it was just another annoying boy.

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 23/05/2019 22:03

We skip past this page as I get cross about it every time I read it. Yes yes, lots of truly incredible women and a small child who literally hasn't done anything for women or girls but really wants to be one. Ahhhh it's making me mad again.

Orchidoptic · 23/05/2019 22:02

So early to start messing with children’s minds... do the stories explain that you can’t change sex?

GrandmaSharksDentures · 23/05/2019 22:00

There's 3 or 4 transgender boys in the boys equivalent book

Bananalanacake · 23/05/2019 21:57

my dd has this book but I haven't come across that page yet. do you know the page number?

MrsJamin · 23/05/2019 21:49

I mean transboy. Easy to get confused, right?

MrsJamin · 23/05/2019 21:48

There's a boys' equivalent and there's a bloody transgirl in it 🤦🏻‍♀️ I heard of someone gluing those pages together.

SirVixofVixHall · 23/05/2019 21:41

My dds have written “and one horrible boy” over his face...actually I think now they have glued his section together.
All those truly incredible women, and then one small boy who has done nothing whatsoever worthy of praise, but instead merely has parents prepared to bully small girls into having no boundaries.
That is all it takes as a male, to get lauded.

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