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Seeing 60 seconds of someone else's domestic violence situation made me wonder...

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AgentZigzag · 04/05/2012 20:45

...where the message that it's a violent crime which shouldn't be tolerated, got lost.

I'm presuming this situation was a result of a domestic violence incident, although there could be another explanations to the way I've read between the lines.

I was walking towards the local Spar shop at 1.30 yesterday afternoon with my 2 YO DD, who was walking but saying she was tired. I stopped to put her in her pushchair and could see one of our neighbours who works at the Spar with an 18/19 YO girl talking to a woman on the ground.

The woman on the ground had a wet patch on her trousers, as if she'd sat in a puddle, and I could see her face was red, like really sunburnt from the distance I was at.

As I got closer our neighbour was finishing off talking to the woman, who was now standing, and we walked off from the woman together, leaving the younger woman with her.

When I was up close I could see the red was actually blood, because her face had been beaten to a pulp, literally. She had new bruises, really blue and coming up, with blood streaming down her nose, and I think the wet patch was her wetting herself.

I asked my neighbour if the police had been called, and she said the woman was pissed and when asked about the police said 'what would be the point?'. The neighbour then said she didn't know whether it was her business or not (not in an offhand uncompassionate way, but more questioning her take on the situation IYSWIM), and I said it definitely was judging by the state of her face. I was looking back all the time (a few meters away) and a man was helping her into a house, the neighbour said 'Oh, XXXX (mans name) is taking her in', and the neighbour started answering questions from other people at the Spar, so I walked off.

I can't get the woman's face out of my head, wondering how she's doing and what happened after I left. To know there's a man living close by (these weren't injuries a woman could inflict) who could be capable of that in an afternoon, even though I'm not naive and know they look 'normal', is a horrible reminder of what goes on behind closed doors.

There are two things I keep thinking about -

-What does her not seeing the point of calling the police say? Whether it's because it's happened before and her telling them was useless, or whether she didn't think they could do anything to protect her, both lead to the police not being able to effectively deal with these types of crime.

-Also, why did the neighbour wonder whether she'd be justified in ignoring the crime, weighing up whether it was any of her business? If it were an older person being punched to the extent this woman was she wouldn't have hesitated in calling them. Could the way it happened not being how some people see as a 'typical' DV incident (i.e. at night, inside etc) have skewed the neighbours judgement of what to do and made her question herself?

Sorry if it's long and the point isn't very clear, I was just surprised at my own shock seeing her face and of the significance such a small space of time can have. I know what it feels like to get a thrashing so I've seen it in the mirror, but it seemed worse somehow seeing it on someone else.

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MustControlFistOfDeath · 04/05/2012 22:38

I would have called the police and informed them of what I had seen and the address where she was taken.

Nyac · 04/05/2012 22:29

Do you know what, this woman was beaten to a pulp and you didn't do anything? I don't understand why you're posting about it. What's the point? A woman got beaten and nobody would help her.

This is an appalling story.

Nyac · 04/05/2012 22:25

How about an ambulance if you didn't feel up to calling the police?

You didn't need to hang around.

AgentZigzag · 04/05/2012 21:57

I think you're right that bystander apathy was part of it Robot, but seeing it as each person just palming off the responsibility onto others doesn't take into account the legitimate reasons why someone can justify not acting.

It was probably less than 60 seconds tbh, and the instinct I fell back on was definately to protect DD from any potential violence, that's a very powerful feeling which I wasn't prepared to risk ignoring.

The injuries weren't from falling on her face, I don't know anything about what forensic evidence says about traumatic injuries, but they were 'localised' bruises if that makes sense, all over her face. As I said in the OP though, it added up to what I said but I accept I could be wrong.

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AyeRobot · 04/05/2012 21:26

Probably a large dollop of Bystander Theory going on. If there are multiple people at a scene, everyone waits for someone else to take charge.

Very glad that someone helped her, although I really hope that it wasn't him who did that to her. It was def a beating, was it? Rather than her being pissed and falling flat on her face? That might be another assumption that was being made, or at least enough to swing the arrow from "call the police" to "not getting involved".

FallenCaryatid · 04/05/2012 21:25

It may have been DV, or she may have fallen on her face whilst pissed. You could call the non-emergency number and inform the police of your concerns that way.

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 21:12

SHOULD

FFS

SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 21:11

Sorry that sounds judgemental.

I don't think that people shouldn't help drunk people, but I know in practice it makes it less likely.

AgentZigzag · 04/05/2012 21:11

I made a conscious choice when I was putting DD in her pushchair that if people were with her I wouldn't stay, but if she was on her own I would have stayed with her and called the police myself.

I was thinking about DD, her seeing the womans face and the risk of the bloke still being around.

I don't regret the choice I made.

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SardineQueen · 04/05/2012 21:11

I expect a large part of people not taking action was because the woman was drunk.

How do you know it was a DV incident and not something that had happened with someone in the pub or on the street or anywhere? I may have misunderstood the scenario.

AyeRobot · 04/05/2012 21:03

Maybe if you examine why you didn't call the police, then you might get close to an answer as to why they didn't.

I hope she's OK. And that she does have people looking out for her.

NomNomDePlum · 04/05/2012 20:55

can you call the police now? and ask what they advise? it may be that they can't do anything anyway, but they certainly can't do anything if they don't know.

TheCreepingLurgy · 04/05/2012 20:50

Couldn't you have called the police???

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