2001 channel 4 documentary on porn

isn't s/he the second poster to think it is the victim's own fault for not googling Max Hardcore beforehand (and never mind that this was 10 years ago when internet access was very far from universal)?

failed to do necessary internet research = deserved to be raped, apparently

Saw movies show violence against men too. In fact the first movie focusses on 2 men trapped in a toilet (??)

mumble, I don't know how you can watch that and be unmoved. A woman was raped FFS.

Wow. Self loathing? You think? I don;t hink reading a few of my posts enables you to get a full piocture of whio I am (not very feminist that is it??? Imagine if somebody saw my posts on food and washing and thought was all i did - gosh.)

SHE DID LITERALLY SIGN UP FOR WHAT SHE DID!!!!

I like men and women the same actually, I rarely recognise a gender difference. if it were lesbian porn and they were all women my vewis would be exactly the same.

I love my teenagers - it worries the crap out of me that they drink, have sex, get pregnant.

What exactly were you wanting me to contribute? Why are my vewis not valuable? I think you are the one loathing me, not me.

Did you see the way that guy in the black t-shirt at the start of the documentary was looking at her? - yes, she;s a model wanting to be a porn star. Men look at women, in fact one of the first things she said was that its easier if she fancies the man - so presumably she is judging him on his appearance and sexuality.

Did you note the fact that the gangbang director couldn't even remember how many men the woman in the gang bang was expected to have sex with? Yep - what;s your point? Its a gang bang - both 'gang' and 'bang' don;t imply precision film planning to me. i thought the point was promescuity of it??? You have to count?

Did you see MH fold her over a chair and stick his penis in her within seconds of meeting her (I admit she didn't say 'no/stop', but it was plain she wasn't happy)?
She didn;t say no because she wanted the work/money he could offer her. Sorry, buut that was what she implied later.

Did you hear the dissapointment in the last porn directors voice when she said she wasn't prepared to be hit so hard in the film it would leave marks?

Yep. She obviously had no idea what she was going into. Perhaps a google into Max Hardcore and others would have helped.

On what planet is the above not an issue?
A planet where women are able to do basic research and are choosing to sell their bodies for money.

I actually am very vocal that women should be able to enter the porn/sex industry if they wish. But not like this.

True. Why the hell did she need a n agent - intelligent motivated woman like her should have started her own buisiness.

Actually mumble, having read your posts on another thread, I think you're full of self-loathing. You're a woman and you exonerate men while holding women fully responsible for everything. Teenage girls for leading men on. Porn actresses for getting involved in some sadistic shit they didn't sign up for. And us for decrying patriarchy.

Please just go away. You have nothing useful to contribute.

I repeat - the sex is real, not the abuse.

I am not stupid, that's the second time on this thread. Also, I think you'll find that there is a lot of complaining about violence on TV and video games.

Those vaginas are really going round those cocks as well but I bet you'd never think of phrasing it like that.

OK. Not CSI then. Boxing - I hate it, much more than I hate porn. is that a better example?

Mumblecrumble

Did you see the way that guy in the black t-shirt at the start of the documentary was looking at her?

Did you note the fact that the gangbang director couldn't even remember how many men the woman in the gang bang was expected to have sex with?
Did you see MH fold her over a chair and stick his penis in her within seconds of meeting her (I admit she didn't say 'no/stop', but it was plain she wasn't happy)?
Did you hear the dissapointment in the last porn directors voice when she said she wasn't prepared to be hit so hard in the film it would leave marks?

On what planet is the above not an issue?

I actually am very vocal that women should be able to enter the porn/sex industry if they wish. But not like this.

mumble - I think the reason a lot of people get off on porn is because they know it's really happening. Those cocks are really going into every single orifice, it's not fake.

necrophilia, beastiality, mutilation for example

other porn i;ve heard/ seen has been much worse than on this documentary, hence why i was shocked at the description of this documentary.

How have men been treated despicably on this forum? I don't understand that at all

I happen to feel the violence portrayed on CSI, most horror films etc was much worse than anything I saw, heard or heard described on that film.

I may be wrong - this is why I enjoy discussion forums (well, good threads, not the ones where people just get agressive.).

Though on the other hand I watch quite a lot of CSI and very little porn. But yes, i think they both serve to fulfill a need to see what we would never want to expereince in real life.

I don't care about anyone's spelling, but if someone really can't work out why people don't tend to complain as much about violence on tv crime shows as in porn, they probably are a bit stupid.

MumbleCrumble, I can't believe you would compare something like CSI to pornography.

Thats my point though - its fake. The females are acting. The sex is real not the abuse. How they are treated in the industry is a different issue but in the film they are not being abused it is acting abused.

Please don;t treat me like I am stupid just becasue I don;t agree. You might as well correct my speling.

Hey Mumblecrumble, did you know that when they make CSI and Murder She Wrote they don't actually kill real people?

and that in porn real women get abused?

or did you think they were cleverly intercutting shots of actresses with CGI and animatronics showing the rapey bits?

Also.

These people are making films. Fantasy films.

I don;t see people writing in to CSI and Murder she wrote complaining about the abuse the vitims got in this film and how sick it is that they could want to portray it etc.

As for her not having a choice - all i got from the film (between the dubious 'missing father' footage) was that she made a career choice to become a model then seeked out the agent guy.

As a woman, i am getting sick of other women presuming that females in this industry and being used and all the men have the power. Many of the richest most powerful people in the industry are women and there are also men and boys being abused in the industry too.

And i agree - this thread is one of the most agressive thread i have ever seen. Real shame as i feel the OP started something that could have provoked real and interesting debate.

So... iw athced this documentary waiting to be shocked and outraged... and I was surprised - that I wasn;t shocked and outraged.

I re read this thread (apart from the arguments between posters) and couldn;t really understand.

My overriding feeling when watching the documentary was nothing to do with the sexual acts but that all of it - her behaviour and his behaviour were led purely by money. Thats why she went along with it all - money. Quick, easy money.

I felt it was made clear to her that she would be pushed beyond her boundaries and that she kept agreeing to acts then saying she didn;lt really want to do them.

I did not pity her - she bugged me. Like as if she didnlt really understand what was going on despite seeing it around her and being told....

Also, I think the way men have been treated on this forum is despicable.

The point is that if you'd called someone a "paki" you wouldn't even be trying to defend yourself whether you'd quoted someone else or not. You'd know you'd overstepped to mark and "I was tired" or "I didn't think" wouldn't cut it. Tbh you wouldn't even have used the word because you'd know it was rasict abuse and there are some words you just don't use so you wouldn't be in this mess. Similar logic for "whore".