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2001 channel 4 documentary on porn

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darleneconnor · 04/04/2011 13:00

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The best anti-porn evidence I've seen.

(Please watch with caution, some scenes are upsetting)

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HaggisNeepsnTatties · 04/04/2011 21:46

Good post Seth.

StewieGriffinsMom · 04/04/2011 21:37

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 04/04/2011 21:36

there is nothing sham about Dittany.

and you are very foolish indeed if you think your daughter will be safe merely because she is your daughter.

if anything, having a father who doesn't know the difference between love and rape would seem to be a pretty dangerous thing for a girl to grow up with.

Andre1960 · 04/04/2011 21:33

Love and sex are also about power. Only a stupid person wouldn't know this.

Andre1960 · 04/04/2011 21:31

Dittany - I am also capable of righteous anger. If Felicity was my daughter, Max Hardcore would be a dead man. I have a daughter but I do not think she will be a Felicity because she is my daughter. Your righteousness is a foolish sham, IMHO.

toddlerwrangler - What I'm saying is that love can be horribly compromised and corrupted. We recognise that it ceases to be love when it is transformed in this way but we can also recognise that it could have been exercised differently. The story about Felicity is a story about love - through and through. Only a stupid person wouldn't see this. That doesn't make understanding easy, but having this insight is a start.

dittany · 04/04/2011 21:21

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msrisotto · 04/04/2011 21:17

He told her she was special

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 04/04/2011 21:17

thing is, I don't object to the view that when you are trying to stop people from doing something it's a good idea to find out why they do it.
but Andre is talking COMPLETE BOLLOCKS which has nothing to do with understanding why men rape: when researchers actually do try to understand rapists what comes up again and again is that it is all about POWER and VIOLENCE and NOTHING to do with love.
So if Andre believes in understanding, spouting pompous ignorant crap is really not the way he should go.

dittany · 04/04/2011 21:13

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toddlerwrangler · 04/04/2011 21:12

Andre , I just don't understand what you are trying to say?

I am not pro porn, but I am pro choice. That said, I see no justification for the treatment of the woman in this documentary. How could here ever be.

Can I ask what you are saying? That we should understand humiliating and hurting another human being?

dittany · 04/04/2011 21:11

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HaggisNeepsnTatties · 04/04/2011 21:08

Not sure Dittany is seeking to speak for men??

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 04/04/2011 21:08

Andre you are talking complete bollocks. It doesn't even make any logical sense.

Andre1960 · 04/04/2011 21:05

As I said: understanding is difficult. Too difficult for you, dittany. You speak for men, although you are not a man. There is a solution to this mystery - understand yourself and then you will be able to speak for men.

Malificence · 04/04/2011 21:04

So rape and abusive sex on film is an act of love?

Jesus H Christ.

Andre1960, you are in the wrong place, mumsnet is not for you.

dittany · 04/04/2011 21:01

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ThatVikRinA22 · 04/04/2011 21:00

when was this on?

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 04/04/2011 20:59

x-posts. Dittany put it better.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 04/04/2011 20:59

'The porn film director was not lying when he insisted that his actors where engaged in an 'expression of love'. Even when it is horribly compromised, corrupted and perverted, it is still that.'

I disagree. Violent sex has nothing whatsoever to do with love.

dittany · 04/04/2011 20:58

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Andre1960 · 04/04/2011 20:50

Shock is easy, understanding is difficult. The latter requires courage and compassion, the former none at all. That is the main reason why such sadness is likely to continue and, I fear, will probably increase in this world.

The porn film director was not lying when he insisted that his actors where engaged in an 'expression of love'. Even when it is horribly compromised, corrupted and perverted, it is still that.

I hope Felicity's daughter, who, as children do, was also trying to give her mother a lesson in love was successful.

As toddlerwrangler remarked, 'a lot to think about.'

toddlerwrangler · 04/04/2011 19:12

I saw this when it first aired. The 'broken' look on that poor woman's face as that men bent her over and entered her made me so, so sad. The programme gave me a lot to think about :(

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