2001 channel 4 documentary on porn

VicarInaTutu I'm not trying to be clever. Try to open your mind a bit and see what goes on in this world. If you are a vicar you should try especially hard to do this.

I wonder why Andre only ever pops up on rape/porn threads to peddle his disturbing shit

Do you merely search the key words "rape" and "porn", Andre ?

I would google you, but I fear I would puke

and I have a touch of emetophobia, so best swerved, I think

Usual word salad from Andre. Probably best avoided.

Nasty, nasty business. But all men watch porn and it's harmless, right? It's not like they're having an affair or anything.

I'm not sure I can face watching that. I read the directors account and that was horrendous enough. I have never watched porn ,I don't understand why some people seem able to separate from and objectify women. My DH doesn't have any interest in porn either,for the same reasons,he sees it as abuse,rather than "sexy".

I also saw this when it first aired and was horrified. I really hope she is ok now.

But Andre, you accept yourself that love can be corrupted etc. How do you know that your DD won't fall for this kind of "love"??

Andre...you have the strangest turn of phrase....its all a bit "confucius say"...please go and preach your philosophy on love and what it is to be loved somewhere else.

you sound like your trying to justify something. if what im reading is how this documentary turns out there is no justification.

tutu100 Why did they know her limits better than her? If they knew better, then they knew better and they were capable of being more right about her than she was. She relinquished this to them. Are you also more capable of being right about her than she is? In which case, go to her and look after her.

Vic, I saw it when it was first aired, never to be forgotten

i got half way through, the kids were still wandering in so i switched off, not sure having read the rest of this i can stomach the rest of it,

i have to say, Andre, your posts are really disturbing, you sound as though your trying far to hard to sound clever. its not working.

on no level was this documentary about love, in any sense of the word. are you a porn user?

tigerchilli Watch it again. She is a human being. She was a participant in what happened. In a sense he seduced her, in a sense he raped her. He was playing a game, so was she. Was she in control of herself? I think she was not but should have been. Her manner of being in control was to relinquish control to him. I think that was stupid of her, but I am not her so I can't say. He overcame her in stages. She submitted in stages. She went to 'meet' him but prepared herself for sex. She regretted it afterwards, or said so, but continued in her career. It is horrible because she was complicit. If she was not - go to her and take responsibility for her. The weak are often exploited and abused. Children are weak because they trust. She was acting like a child, which was something to do with revenge and disappointment concerning her father. It is sad.

HaggisNeepsnTatties One who knows what love is and loves her. I hope she will not be mistaken because I have tried to show her.

I watched this when it was first broadcast and have never forgotten it. It is one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen - just to reiterate - watch with caution peeps.

He didn't "seduce" her. She repeated over and over that she was "scared" and she was a seven and a half stone naked woman in a room full of men. People don't always react rationally when they are petrified. Especially a psychologically fragile (as demonstrated by the end of the doc.) young woman on the other side of the world surrounded by bully boys, seasoned women abusers and manipulators.

Max Hardcore is a bottom feeding scum-life who despises females, especially ones that he can pretend are younger than they are. In other words a wanna be peadophile.

Andre, she said she had to do it, not she wanted to. They are completely different things. She was initially very clear on what she would and wouldn't do, and the men she was around just push her and pushed her and put her in positions where she felt she had to do what they were asking.

They felt they knew her limits better than she did. How dare they. They wouldn't do the things they were asking her to.

Andre. Am interested. What is it to be loved my a man? What kind of a man do you hope your daughter will end up with?

StewieGriffinsMom I know the difference between love and rape better than you, I think. If my daughter chooses to love and be loved by men, I hope she will not be mistaken because I have tried to teach her what it is to be loved by a man.

tutu100 She could have said no. Max Hardcore seduced her. He said she was special. It is sad.

OK Andre, I am looking at your arguement but still not understanding it. I 100 percent agree that love can become corrupted and cruel, and that sex can be involved - domestic abuse being the obvious example.

But how you can see love here is beyond me. I dont even think max hardcore himself would bother with such bollocks. He wanted to see if she had a tight vagina, bent her over a sofa and stuck his penis in to find out. To bring love into that scenario is bizzarre.

I'm really struggling to watch this. The fact she felt she couldn't say no is so sad. Did Max Hardcore use a condom?