2001 channel 4 documentary on porn

The point is I don't think she's a "puppet"

And how many sex offenders have you "spoken" to??

Ok, why have you mentioned her twice? What point are you making? I don't get it.

no, k999, they're saying he talks in a similar way to sex offenders.

You're saying Andre is a sex offender?? And that is based on what exactly?

for it to mean finger the second time means it would have to the first time ie if you like my finger put a ring on it. A far more obvious reading is that it means herself.

No fixation with Madonna. I have only mentioned her twice. Not sure I would call that a fixation.

thats never how i read it K999

peterandreforpm....you said what i was thinking, i was just watching my words, but i had already thought sex offender of some description.

Is anyone saying Madonna didn't walk round like a hooker? Is anyone saying the way Madonna performed is more acceptable?? I don't understand your fixation on fucking Madonna! She's no feminist hero!

"put a ring on it" could mean "finger" ....not sure you would describe a finger as him/her.....least thats what I think it could mean....

true I never saw it like that

putting "it" in a song and saying "if you like, put a ring on it " is misguided to say the very least

and an example of how so much misogyny just passes over many people's radars, because it is so insidious, pervasive, and so normalised

erm not sure Madonna didn't walk around like a hooker for most of her career.....but no doubt someone will say how she was the Rhiana of her time ...

Isn't put a ring on it about commiting to a woman you love rather than just being in the 'girlfriend zone' for years and not showing much commitment

K999, I am not speaking here for mature women who know what they like/don't like

I am speaking about the influences on young people who are still trying to work out their sexuality, and their sexual tastes

Those influences are increasingly damaging, and increasingly in-your-face, IMO

you turn the tv on, or go to the Dr's waiting room with your little tot (as detailed on MN a couple of weeks ago) to be faced with the likes of Rihanna regaling us with how she loves the smell of sex in the air, how whips and chains excite her and strutting around dressed like a hooker

as a mature woman who no longer feels the need to fit in with her peers, I can handle it

my children, and everyone else's, cannot, and should not have to

Madonna did the whole sexy/raunchy image. Not sure I'd say she was a puppet!!

Dittany, I get that Rihanna is just a puppet, but she has a brain

Her greed for fame and money has sadly allowed her to let what should be a decent moral compass slide off the scale. Perhaps one day she will get it, but probably not while she is laughing all the way to bank. Maybe it may click that Jay Z is earning millions more out of her betraying her sex, who knows ?

Beyonce is no better, either, you are right however at least she hasn't stooped to yapping to the world about how she likes her big ol' booty slapped (yet, and AFAIK)

Don't even get me started on Eminem < disappears in puff of righteous anger >

If some women like s&m, rough sex, whatever....is it because they actually like it or because men say they should like it?

msr, I recently heard of an interview that she gave where she talked about her sex life and her masochistic tendencies

she even went into detail about how she preferred men to "use their hands" rather than whips and chains (as detailed and glorified in her lovely latest single, S+M)

this is a young woman that teenage girls idolise

I despair, truly

Rihanna is quite a good example of the normalisation of the abuse of women in mainstream media. Her lyrics are sexually explicit as well as glorifying violence, her videos promote violence as sexy, everything about her recent appearance is pushing sex and violence. And her fan base is young. Great.

Vic, only my opinion, but I do believe that the normalisation of porn in mainstream society (think Rihanna and Katy Perry for the youngsters...) over the last couple of decades has meant that the boundaries have been pushed further and further back

Young men and young women now grow up thinking they have to aspire to the expectations of a sexualised and pornified society and I find it very, very sobering

btw for anyone still reading this thread and struggling to put their finger on why Andre's pronouncements are so unsettling, it is because he is echoing the phraseology of the true paedophile

HTH

obviously my name was just too ambiguous for the likes of mr andre, if mine should denote what he thinks i am then his should too, (and i have a few suggestions.)

i have to confess i never saw anything wrong in the use of porn, until i realised the extremes that are now mainstream and i watched this documentary. How can anyone in their right mind even try to justify this type of abuse writing it off as depicting love? its not depicting anything but control and humiliation and that apparently gets some men off? but dressing it up as an act of 'love' makes it ok then obviously in some mens minds, maybe makes knowing what they are doing and getting their kicks from a less bitter pill to swallow.

has porn changed? whenever i thought of porn i thought of playboy and the likes...was that just as bad?