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Removing atmospheric moisture from a house

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FrustratedApples · Yesterday 22:49

In the winter when you've had the heating on, which is the most energy-efficient way to remove moisture from the air - using an extractor fan or putting windows on the catch for a short while? Windows on the catch means no electricity for the fan, but you lose heat. We tend not to use our heating that much.

I'm thinking of moisture from cooking, for example. I line dry / use a tumble dryer and don't hang laundry to dry indoors.

We do have dehumidifiers but they are relatively expensive to run so I'm looking for cheaper ways to remove the bulk of the moisture from cooking, and then the dehumidifiers can deal with what's left.

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Springtimeinsunshine · Today 03:42

We tend not to use our heating that much.
We do have dehumidifiers but they are relatively expensive to run

That's your problem. Dehumidifiers work better in warm rooms as warm air holds significantly more moisture than cold air. You are doing the equivalent of pushing water uphill. Expensive and useless.

FrustratedApples · Today 05:00

Thanks. I guess that takes me back to my question - when we've been using the heating & the house is warm, is it better to remove moisture with an extractor fan or by opening windows?

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Springtimeinsunshine · Today 05:56

Neither. Dehumidifier. It really does work very effectively (and cheaply) if you've bought the right one and use it when the air is warm. When my house is cold and damp I'm lucky to pull out 2L, but once the house has been warmed up a few degrees it can pull out 12L. A significant difference, and it also helps to heat the room up. Check you've got the right one.

begone25 · Today 06:07

New build houses are now all being fitted with MVHR (mechanical ventilation and heat recovery) systems. They can be retro fitted but there’s a lot of ductwork. In your case I would have thought extraction fans better…

Google seems to agree (I was curious myself!):
Using an extractor fan is generally better and more energy-efficient than opening wide windows when your house is warm and the heating has been on.

Why an Extractor Fan is Better
Targeted moisture removal: Extractor fans pull out humid air directly from the specific source (like the bathroom or kitchen) before it spreads to cooler rooms.
Heat retention: Running a fan removes moist air without flushing out all the stored heat in your walls, furniture, and indoor air.
Avoiding drafts: Opening windows lets out large amounts of expensive, warmed air quickly, forcing your heating system to work harder to warm the house back up.

When to Open Windows Instead
Short, sharp air-changes ("burping the house"): If you need to air out a room thoroughly, opening windows wide on opposite sides of the house for just 5 to 10 minutes creates a fast cross-draft that swaps the air out before the building's thermal mass cools down too much.
High moisture/after a long shower or cooking: If an extractor fan isn't powerful enough on its own, a quick window crack combined with the fan can help speed things up.
Mild weather: If the outdoor air isn't freezing cold, a brief window opening is fine, though you should turn down the radiator in that room first so you aren't heating the outside

FrustratedApples · Today 06:12

Springtimeinsunshine · Today 05:56

Neither. Dehumidifier. It really does work very effectively (and cheaply) if you've bought the right one and use it when the air is warm. When my house is cold and damp I'm lucky to pull out 2L, but once the house has been warmed up a few degrees it can pull out 12L. A significant difference, and it also helps to heat the room up. Check you've got the right one.

Thanks. The one I'm currently using isn't fantastic, and takes out 1-2 litres a day. I definitely do notice the difference in temperature if I'm not using it; even a few hours of failing to empty the tank makes it feel noticeably colder. I have just bought a Meaco which is a lot more energy efficient.

I was planning to put it in the porch/hall which has no opening windows, but it's colder there. I might experiment with putting it in the kitchen instead as that's a lot warmer and is the source of most of the moisture.

Thanks!

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mysittingduck · Today 06:16

If our cooking is generating steam, we shut the kitchen door and open the window a little, and only close the window when serving the food. in an open plan area this wouldn't work so I think an extractor fan over the cooker would be your best bet.

FruAashild · Today 06:24

Springtimeinsunshine · Today 05:56

Neither. Dehumidifier. It really does work very effectively (and cheaply) if you've bought the right one and use it when the air is warm. When my house is cold and damp I'm lucky to pull out 2L, but once the house has been warmed up a few degrees it can pull out 12L. A significant difference, and it also helps to heat the room up. Check you've got the right one.

Isn't that partly because warm air holds more water than cold air? Opening doors and windows work because you are exchanging hot damp air with colder less damp air.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · Today 10:37

Instead of condensing dehumidifier look at a desiccant one.

Tortephant · Today 11:01

Windows. Always

what age is your property?

FrustratedApples · Today 11:12

Tortephant · Today 11:01

Windows. Always

what age is your property?

About a hundred years old. The insulation isn't too bad (eg we had the cavity walls refilled) but north-facing rooms can get cold.

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Tortephant · Today 11:14

FrustratedApples · Today 11:12

About a hundred years old. The insulation isn't too bad (eg we had the cavity walls refilled) but north-facing rooms can get cold.

Windows will be best for the property and your health.

dudsville · Today 11:19

Do you have solar panels? We don't line dry in the winter but have dehumdifiers in the spare room with the clothes horse things. But we have solar panels, and on a sunny day this means we've used no electricity, and we have a solar panel battery for storing excess energy. Do you have an extractor hood over the hob? This works well fo rus in the kitchen.

FrustratedApples · Today 11:36

Yes, we do have solar panels and a battery, though our evening/overnight electricity usage exceeds what we can store in the battery so we still have to buy some electricity. We do have an extractor fan in the kitchen. The main kitchen/dining area is quite open plan so we can't really shut the kitchen door and put the fan on as a PP suggested. Also the kitchen moisture spreads to the rest of the living area.

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bardabunga · Today 11:40

When you are cooking, have the kitchen window open and the door shut.

Keep your bathroom door closed at all times, and open the window for at least half an hour after a bath or shower.

GasPanic · Today 12:10

It does make a big difference. Most people don't understand that if you keep the humidity low you can run the house 2-3C lower in temperature and it feels the same. Heating it just continues to suspend moisture in the air.

I suspect this is why a lot of people complain that they can only tolerate 20C when others find 15C fine.

Some tricks I don't think have been mentioned :

Kitchens : Keep the extractors on when you are cooking, and keep lids on boiling pans. The water vapour condenses on the lid and rolls back down into the pans rather than into the atmosphere increasing the humidity. You can also use steamers for vegetables etc.

Bathrooms : After you have showered use one of those rubber squeegees to push all the water off the screens and in the bath down the plughole. This is all water that will evapourate contributing to the house humidity. It has the added advantage that you will keep the screens cleaner as when you remove the water far fewer mineral deposits precipitate out onto the glass screens.

Windows : Windows are great free dehumidifiers. Use a window vac or just a cloth to remove the water.

Clothes : Drying clothes on radiators produces humidity. If you must do it do it in a small room that is closed off with a dehumidifier in there.

Monitors : You can get little temperature and humidity monitors to place in each room to monitor the humidity.

Extractors are best where there is concentrated humidity in the air, like bathrooms and kitchens. Running electric fans is relatively cheap in electric terms, but fans do wear out so eventually there is a replacement cost which is often a lot more expensive than the electricity running the fan.

GasPanic · Today 12:14

Oh and dehumidifiers vary in efficiency, especially at lower temperatures.

The more common types (condenser) are better I think over 15C. If you are running a lot less than that then dessicant is much more efficient.

MotherofPufflings · Today 14:02

Extractor fans use very little electricity, you should definitely use them while you're cooking or showering.

I squeegee the shower and then open the bathroom window for 5 minutes after showering and find that this drops the humidity from 85%ish to 65%ish. The air temperature drops about 0.5C in this time but rebounds very quickly because it's mainly warm, moist air that has been lost and the fabric of the room stays warm. The extractor fan then deals with the remaining moisture in the air within a few minutes.

climbintheback · Today 18:08

Keep the windows shut use a dehumidifier. When you open a window cold damp air comes in that’s physics! Matter or mass cannot be created or destroyed!

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