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America's Gun Control

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wonderingdaily · 28/03/2023 16:07

Gun violence, I really don't understand it, well i do, but the arguments "for" guns are very weak at best.

How is this still going on, why have they not tightened gun control similar to the UK and other countries.

My heart goes out to the people affected by the recent school shooting.

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Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:52

@wonderingdaily - and which particular part of government are you referring to there?

Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 · 31/03/2023 10:52

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:42

We're talking about rights and entitlement, not a moral balancing act. Ok so you have a right to a vote. What do you think would happen if some government limited the rights of adults to vote?

Doesn't that happen in America already? A right to own a gun ( that was decided over 300 years ago when the world was very diffident) isn't same thing as a right to vote a goverment and keep a democracy. I don't think u are going to find a suitable and Comparable thing that's ur gotta moment u r hoping for.

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:50

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime - perhaps you think there are no protests about the infringement of Republican legislatures on voting rights? I refer you to previous posts on the issue of states rights and the relative weakness of the federal government.

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wonderingdaily · 31/03/2023 10:49

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:42

We're talking about rights and entitlement, not a moral balancing act. Ok so you have a right to a vote. What do you think would happen if some government limited the rights of adults to vote?

Well thats an excellent point, but let me ask you, before you are allowed to vote what do you have to do.......

REGISTER

The american government does have the ability to include way more checks into purchasing a gun.....if they wanted to.

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StarmanBobby · 31/03/2023 10:47

‘You have the right to healthcare. Do you feel entitled to it? What do you think would happen if some government just decided to abolish the NHS? ‘

What a brilliant analogy, now somehow the world make sense again…

Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 · 31/03/2023 10:47

Also to add no I don't feel I am entitled to health care. I just luckily live in a society that values it's citizens to not want to cause them potential bankruptcy or avoiding getting health care and make their health worse due to not being able to afford it. And it's a collective care for others and not just ur own interests. As the taxes I pay , pay for my health care and others around me. And maybe if America was more caring for others than so individualised, a big maybe mass shooting might not be a thing. Isn't that what it boils down to the gun 'enthusiasts " care more about themselves than the greater good.

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wonderingdaily · 31/03/2023 10:46

What amazes me is that decisions arent made based on fact, they are based on peoples opinions and feelings.

The leading cause of death in children is Firearms, they are more likely to be killed by a firearm than a car accident.

To drive a car you need a licence, to have passed a test, register with DVLA ( not sure the american term), then you need car seats for children, there are speed limits within your roads, stop signs, right of way. There are many safety nets put in place to avoid car accidents.

Im not saying Ban guns, ( although that of course would be the ideal scenario albeit horrific to implement) why wont america do background checks, register guns, hold the gun manufacturers accountable meaning they would be pro checks and registration.

America goes on about the constitution " right to bear arms" but nowhere does it say if it should, or should not be regulated which in my minds it appears it was left open for superiors to make decisions on that based on the information/facts they have, yet, they are failing to do so not only allowing more children to die, but innocent people.

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StarmanBobby · 31/03/2023 10:46

Weird isn’t it that guns are seen as a right in the US, but healthcare isn’t? It seems bizarre that the richest country in the world can’t provide at standard of healthcare for everyone, but protecting the ‘right’ to own an AR-15 is quite literally the hill that many politicians will die on.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 31/03/2023 10:45

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:42

We're talking about rights and entitlement, not a moral balancing act. Ok so you have a right to a vote. What do you think would happen if some government limited the rights of adults to vote?

Oh, you mean the way the Republican Party does in America every day?

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:42

We're talking about rights and entitlement, not a moral balancing act. Ok so you have a right to a vote. What do you think would happen if some government limited the rights of adults to vote?

Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 · 31/03/2023 10:40

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:36

You have the right to healthcare. Do you feel entitled to it? What do you think would happen if some government just decided to abolish the NHS? Would people go "oh that's ok"?

Health care and guns r not even comparable! It would be laughable if it wasn't so awful! Health care saves lives guns literally kills them.

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:36

You have the right to healthcare. Do you feel entitled to it? What do you think would happen if some government just decided to abolish the NHS? Would people go "oh that's ok"?

Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 · 31/03/2023 10:33

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:27

@StarmanBobby - I'm sure it made you feel good and morally superior to write that post. Unfortunately it did nothing to address the actual issues on the ground here.

@Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 - posters have now patiently explained what's involved in amending the constitution several times on this thread, the last one only a few posts back. I suggest you read it.

I'm not talking about the difficulites in changing the Constitution. I'm talking about the lack of wanting to change it. hence u mentioning that entitlement is the constitution. Well so what. Yes it would be incredibly difficult to change but common sense should be more important than entitlement. Entitlement to me just sounds incredibly selfish , lacks humanity and not good value.

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:27

@StarmanBobby - I'm sure it made you feel good and morally superior to write that post. Unfortunately it did nothing to address the actual issues on the ground here.

@Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 - posters have now patiently explained what's involved in amending the constitution several times on this thread, the last one only a few posts back. I suggest you read it.

Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 · 31/03/2023 10:22

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:00

I hate to point out the obvious but that entitlement is literally written into the constitution.

Wasn't the part where u take means guns a amendment and the literal meaning to amendment means change. U could feel u r entitled to every household having hand Grenades doesn't mean in a modern world u should do. It's about common sense. And just a bit of humanity, and just human decency

StarmanBobby · 31/03/2023 10:13

America - we can’t do anything about gun crime or gun control. Our kids are dying!

Everyone else - we have some ideas…

America - no,too late, genie out of bottle, rights of the individual, good guys need guns, Thoughts and prayers

Everyone else - that worked for us…

America - right to bear arms! Freedom! God bless ‘Merica! Greatest country in the world. U.S.A. U.S.A.

Everyone else- okaaayyyyyy

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:12

I assume you haven't read the full thread as we dealt quite comprehensively with the amendments issue earlier. Most of us in America on this thread are still asleep. I happen to be insomniac tonight.

Just remember that three quarters of fifty states have to agree to an amendment and half of them are controlled by Republicans. The Equal Rights Amendment still hasn't been ratified after sixty years. No President or Congress can override states rights, and we have the most right wing SCOTUS in many years who would certainly strike down anything they deemed unconstitutional.

StarmanBobby · 31/03/2023 10:04

And of course not only can amendments not be made to that constitution but the founding fathers absolutely meant everyone should have assault rifles if they want. It says ‘arms’ I suppose, so why stop at guns?
Manufacturers should start thinking about smaller hand grenades for littler hands, many mix things up a bit with some colour, bit of pink and purple to appeal to the ladies. Like they do with assault rifles.
Something for everyone.

Britinme · 31/03/2023 10:00

I hate to point out the obvious but that entitlement is literally written into the constitution.

Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 · 31/03/2023 09:52

Britinme · 31/03/2023 09:41

This link may give you an idea of both the thinking and the complexity: rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/

I'm trying to read that genuinely I just keep thinking just the obvious question that doesn't really get answered at all and that's Why? Like why would any reasonable person need a machine gun? U r not living in a war country or a society that has Collapsed? It's just common sense. I get from the article it's like the sense of entitlement really. Which I don't think is a good enough reason.

Britinme · 31/03/2023 09:44

They wouldn’t be innocent anymore! If they were holding illegal firearms, they would be criminals. And surely the police are perfectly capable of entering criminals’ homes and arresting them without killing them!*
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Oh you sweet summer child.

Britinme · 31/03/2023 09:41

This link may give you an idea of both the thinking and the complexity: rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/

CecilyP · 31/03/2023 09:41

Florenz · 31/03/2023 07:43

AT the end of the day, if the US wants to ban guns, or ban some kinds of guns, people would have to accept the US government forcing their way into otherwise innocent people's homes and forcibly taking their guns from them, which would involve killing them in many instances.

It would be a nightmare. Sales of unregistered/black market guns would skyrocket. Criminals would be making fortunes and America would be split asunder.

They wouldn’t be innocent anymore! If they were holding illegal firearms, they would be criminals. And surely the police are perfectly capable of entering criminals’ homes and arresting them without killing them!

StarmanBobby · 31/03/2023 09:35

The rest of the world watches in disbelief as the US swears it can't protect it's own citizens from gun crime, or stop it's children being murdered in schools and offers arming teachers as a solution.... it really does beggar belief.

MarshaBradyo · 31/03/2023 09:33

Nolongera · 31/03/2023 09:32

Because the post I replied to made no sense.

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Great. Why?