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wonderingdaily · 28/03/2023 16:07

Gun violence, I really don't understand it, well i do, but the arguments "for" guns are very weak at best.

How is this still going on, why have they not tightened gun control similar to the UK and other countries.

My heart goes out to the people affected by the recent school shooting.

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DdraigGoch · 28/03/2023 18:41

HermioneWeasley · 28/03/2023 16:24

No, everyone in America is not stupid and the U.K. is not comparable because we’ve never had the scale of guns they have in the US. It seems impossible now that everyone has multiple guns to persuade responsible people to give theirs up. After all, the school shooters aren’t going to give up theirs so where do you start?

Surely you start by introducing background checks and licencing. It's not going to stop all, but it'll reduce the number of guns in circulation.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/03/2023 18:39

LifeExperience · 28/03/2023 17:40

Gun totin' American here. All of you who think a gun ban would be easy are parading your ignorance. How do you tell people who live in Alaska, the Rocky Mountains, the Appalachians, etc., that they can't have a gun for self-defense? In just the past year, I've had a bear on my back deck and packs of coyotes running through my back yard. Copperheads keep trying to take up residence in my driveway culvert, and I've seen a few cats bigger than bob cats about, although panthers aren't supposed to live here. I guess nobody told them that.

We do not live on a tame little island here. We have vast areas where, if you DON'T have a gun, you're freakin' stupid. Now tell me how we implement a gun ban.

You do realise that you are a lot more likely to be shot (and killed) with your own gun than somebody else's, right? That's the risk you take when you decide to go in for gun totin'.

Just sayin'.

LlynTegid · 28/03/2023 18:36

I would like those in the US Senate and House of Representatives who refuse to support gun control measures to be refused entry into the UK, if they want to come here. After all, they are condoning the killing of children in a way.

Aaron95 · 28/03/2023 18:34

LifeExperience · 28/03/2023 17:40

Gun totin' American here. All of you who think a gun ban would be easy are parading your ignorance. How do you tell people who live in Alaska, the Rocky Mountains, the Appalachians, etc., that they can't have a gun for self-defense? In just the past year, I've had a bear on my back deck and packs of coyotes running through my back yard. Copperheads keep trying to take up residence in my driveway culvert, and I've seen a few cats bigger than bob cats about, although panthers aren't supposed to live here. I guess nobody told them that.

We do not live on a tame little island here. We have vast areas where, if you DON'T have a gun, you're freakin' stupid. Now tell me how we implement a gun ban.

You do what we do in the UK. You require people who want a gun to apply for a licence. You require them to give a good reason why they need it. You check out thir circumstances and ensure they are being genuine. then and only then do they get a licence.

Live on a farm and need to shoot vermin - OK.
Live in Alaska and need to shoot bears - OK.
Want to shoot targets - OK but you must keep your gun at the gun club.
Live in a city - No. You have no need for a gun of any kind.
Want to shoot bottles for fun - No. You do not need a gun.
Just want it for self defence. No you cannot have a gun - you do not need one.

Myneighbourskia · 28/03/2023 18:28

The US didn't vote for Brexit.

freetheunicorn1 · 28/03/2023 18:27

LifeExperience · 28/03/2023 17:40

Gun totin' American here. All of you who think a gun ban would be easy are parading your ignorance. How do you tell people who live in Alaska, the Rocky Mountains, the Appalachians, etc., that they can't have a gun for self-defense? In just the past year, I've had a bear on my back deck and packs of coyotes running through my back yard. Copperheads keep trying to take up residence in my driveway culvert, and I've seen a few cats bigger than bob cats about, although panthers aren't supposed to live here. I guess nobody told them that.

We do not live on a tame little island here. We have vast areas where, if you DON'T have a gun, you're freakin' stupid. Now tell me how we implement a gun ban.

It's called gun control...

Aaron95 · 28/03/2023 18:26

phoenixrosehere · 28/03/2023 16:50

Because he was a President, not a King and cannot ban them without going against the Second Amendment of the US Constitution. It is also something that is the decision of individual states which again is something from the US Constitution. He nor can any President dictate what 50 individual States can and can’t do.

The constitution can be changed. In fact it has been 27 times. The second amendment is just that - an amendment to the original constitution.

User135644 · 28/03/2023 18:25

ToastedPear · 28/03/2023 17:35

I think the guns are a red herring.
I wonder instead - why schools? Why are the perpetrators often very young? Why are they often ex pupils? What is being done for youth and mental health? Why do so many shoot themselves later?
Something else is going on here, and the gun element overrides discussion every time. Yes, guns make it easier to commit such crimes, but why are they happening?

It's a sick society. They've had numerous presidents shot dead as well from Nixon to Kennedy, or wounded (Reagan).

With the kid shooters they're usually on a lot of anti-psychotic prescription drugs which again is a sign of a sick and lost society.

Goodread1 · 28/03/2023 18:25

@Albiboba

Yes Americans reputation for being dense stereotype is obvious why other countries people think of them that way,

It's like they have unofficial university of stupidness

Doesn't matter how much guns culture decimate lives,

They want lots more powerful guns to combat the issue,

Aaron95 · 28/03/2023 18:24

SecretVictoria · 28/03/2023 16:35

So…why did he do nothing to ban them then?

He tried. Many times. But ultimately it was impossible for Obama to pass any meaningful laws. And it remains impossible for any other President to change anything.

Why? Because the NRA, and other lobby groups, finance enough Senators and Congressmen to ensure that nothing related to gun control willl ever pass through into law. The root cause is that the US system allows politicians to spend vast amounts on getting elected and has almost no controls on who can pay them the money to do that. Ultimately rich people and organisations own the politicians and it is perfectly legal to do so.

freetheunicorn1 · 28/03/2023 18:23

I saw a comment on SM by an American saying if they were not giving money to Ukraine they could afford to put armed security in all schools.

No words...

Albiboba · 28/03/2023 18:17

There’s a reason the American stereotype is being dense.
When they have a mass shooting basically every year and they very often involve schools.
No doubt pro gun Americans will take offence but the reality is they are just morons. They think the answer is MORE GUNS, it’s farcical.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/03/2023 18:13

Justcallmebebes · 28/03/2023 16:10

Because the stock answer in the US to the gun problem is usually "we need more guns"

Wayne LaPierre's "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" also features. Notably quoted today by a congresswoman who clearly doesn't use thought as a medium before expression...

There have been several school shootings during which an armed security guard, employed to protect the children, has failed to do anything about the killer, or as at Uvalde the armed police have all hung about outside the school while a gunman went on killing children inside it (those police were apparently afraid he had a weapon more powerful than theirs). There was a department store shooting at a time when there were at least twenty-five people in the store carrying guns and they may all have been good guys but none of them did anything about the killer. I think there have been about five examples this century of a civilian with a gun stopping someone with a gun: the Washington Post lists eleven, but in more than half of them the bad guy had a knife or was a burglar rather than a gunman on a spree, or the good guy was a cop.

(MTG, you're bullshitting again.)

WeeOrcadian
Remember: guns don't kill people, people kill people.

True. However, people with guns kill other people more readily than people without guns do.

It's quite a new problem; in the 1920s eight mass shooting were recorded, in the 1930s four, in the 1940s three, in the 1950s four, in the 1960s seven, in the 1970s twenty-one, in the 1980s twenty-six, in the 1990s forty-six, including Columbine. That's 119 for the entire twentieth century, against the 128 so far in the first three months of this year. (there are three more days to go, so there might be another, I'm not going to be definitive here.)

oobedobe · 28/03/2023 18:03

It obvious that they are not going to get rid or ban guns. But I truly don't understand the range and power of guns that are sold.

That should be the first place to start. Just sell a variety of basic rifles and handguns (with the most stringent checks in place) and place a ban on owning or purchasing automatic or semi-automatic weapons - which seem like the ones most used in the mass shootings.

Yes the guns will still be dangerous and shootings will still happen but maybe the rate and incidence of mass shootings can be reduced? Many of the stories I read the perpertrator purchased an AK-47 the day before etc. This would help in those incidences.

That's honestly the best they can hope for at this point.

Goodread1 · 28/03/2023 17:53

Why get Worked up about something 😕 that will never ever change @wonderingdaily ?

Just be thankful it's one less thing to worry about in life, as don't live in America,

Goodread1 · 28/03/2023 17:49

I don't understand 😕 myself why Americans have love/hate relationships with guns culture either,

It's weird as Anything, !

Nothing will change,

As Americans have toxic love affair ❤️ of Guns is so entrenched in their Psyche and Culture,

I am just thankfully glad I live where I do in uk 🇬🇧 and don't have to worry about Guns at all .

It's their issue in America 🇺🇸

We have enough issues at home here to stress worry about.

acrimoniousone · 28/03/2023 17:47

"They have gun crime, we have knife crime."

You can't wipe out a room full of children in seconds with a knife though.

An AR-15 however...

MarshaBradyo · 28/03/2023 17:46

LifeExperience · 28/03/2023 17:40

Gun totin' American here. All of you who think a gun ban would be easy are parading your ignorance. How do you tell people who live in Alaska, the Rocky Mountains, the Appalachians, etc., that they can't have a gun for self-defense? In just the past year, I've had a bear on my back deck and packs of coyotes running through my back yard. Copperheads keep trying to take up residence in my driveway culvert, and I've seen a few cats bigger than bob cats about, although panthers aren't supposed to live here. I guess nobody told them that.

We do not live on a tame little island here. We have vast areas where, if you DON'T have a gun, you're freakin' stupid. Now tell me how we implement a gun ban.

You’ve got to admit the school shootings are an issue though that needs to be addressed

Sarvanga38 · 28/03/2023 17:45

Whammyyammy · 28/03/2023 17:11

I visit the U.S a lot, and tend to avoid conversations on guns etc.
My husband and his colleague wanted to visit a gun shop and try out a new gun on their range. I went along, I was amazed at how many guns were for sale and how inexpensive they were, so took a photo.

The shop owner was really nice, and I was invited to try a pistol. Was scary but everyone was friendly, it was all controlled and safe - although proved I'm not any good at shooting.
They have gun crime, we have knife crime.

Not so safe really, there have certainly been cases of deaths in gun ranges - not least the 9 year old who shot her 'instructor' with an Uzi while having a fun day out. Even if you and your instructor are sensible, maybe someone else in the range isn't. Rather you than me.

EightChalk · 28/03/2023 17:45

LifeExperience · 28/03/2023 17:40

Gun totin' American here. All of you who think a gun ban would be easy are parading your ignorance. How do you tell people who live in Alaska, the Rocky Mountains, the Appalachians, etc., that they can't have a gun for self-defense? In just the past year, I've had a bear on my back deck and packs of coyotes running through my back yard. Copperheads keep trying to take up residence in my driveway culvert, and I've seen a few cats bigger than bob cats about, although panthers aren't supposed to live here. I guess nobody told them that.

We do not live on a tame little island here. We have vast areas where, if you DON'T have a gun, you're freakin' stupid. Now tell me how we implement a gun ban.

You could allow a very narrow range of hunting rifles and restrict ownership to certain postal codes only, with periodic checks. If someone was visiting one of those areas, they could choose to rent one with a time-limited permit.

Furthermore, carrying guns in a town or city (other than taken apart, stowed in a vehicle for transport) shouldn't be allowed, as that wouldn't be necessary for the self-defence reasons you describe.

PuddlesPityParty · 28/03/2023 17:44

LifeExperience · 28/03/2023 17:40

Gun totin' American here. All of you who think a gun ban would be easy are parading your ignorance. How do you tell people who live in Alaska, the Rocky Mountains, the Appalachians, etc., that they can't have a gun for self-defense? In just the past year, I've had a bear on my back deck and packs of coyotes running through my back yard. Copperheads keep trying to take up residence in my driveway culvert, and I've seen a few cats bigger than bob cats about, although panthers aren't supposed to live here. I guess nobody told them that.

We do not live on a tame little island here. We have vast areas where, if you DON'T have a gun, you're freakin' stupid. Now tell me how we implement a gun ban.

How do you think it works with farmers etc. here? You may not know this but… There’s nuance to law, it’s not just no guns full stop.

LMAO to tame little island. No you live in a cesspit which is kidding itself daily that’s it’s the “land of the free” - next joke!

acrimoniousone · 28/03/2023 17:42

acrimoniousone · 28/03/2023 17:41

"Remember: guns don't kill people, people kill people."

The gun helps though. A lot.

We can't kill people at a distance in this country.

Crossbows and shotguns exist to be fair but the murder rate doesn't suggest they are the problem.

Ashes2Ashes · 28/03/2023 17:41

WeeOrcadian · 28/03/2023 16:30

I think that calling the majority of a (huge) country 'stupid' is ridiculous.

That said, I don't understand the appeal of guns. I don't consider people who DO like them, stupid though.

I do agree that countries that do not have such lenient gun laws, also do not have mass shootings.

Remember: guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Ridiculous- but also racist. @wonderingdaily Try substituting Americans with any other nationality and see how that question sounds.
I hate the gun lobby in USA and I believe its apologists misread the Second Amendment. But these anti-American views are entrenched in UK and go far beyond questioning US gun laws. I’ve heard ‘Americans are stupid’, Americans are crass’, ‘Americans have no culture’, ‘Americans have no sense of humour’, ‘Americans are loud’ etc etc etc. Why is this acceptable in a supposedly anti-racist society like UK? I’m not American but my husband of 30 years is, and I’ve been dismayed at the casual prejudices that would be unthinkable about any other nationality.

acrimoniousone · 28/03/2023 17:41

"Remember: guns don't kill people, people kill people."

The gun helps though. A lot.

We can't kill people at a distance in this country.

LifeExperience · 28/03/2023 17:40

Gun totin' American here. All of you who think a gun ban would be easy are parading your ignorance. How do you tell people who live in Alaska, the Rocky Mountains, the Appalachians, etc., that they can't have a gun for self-defense? In just the past year, I've had a bear on my back deck and packs of coyotes running through my back yard. Copperheads keep trying to take up residence in my driveway culvert, and I've seen a few cats bigger than bob cats about, although panthers aren't supposed to live here. I guess nobody told them that.

We do not live on a tame little island here. We have vast areas where, if you DON'T have a gun, you're freakin' stupid. Now tell me how we implement a gun ban.

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