America's Gun Control

You don’t think the UK are in a better position with gun massacres in their schools? Of course the UK have the higher moral ground on this issue.

So where do you live to say U.K. are doing badly? Do you have issues if so how can you say anything.

Some do want to talk about issues outside their own country it’s no big deal.

The second amendment reads

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Put the commas where you want to, or miss them out altogether like New Jersey, it still does not mention guns.

I'm sure you don't Marsha, but it's been said over and over again on this thread and it's the dominant tone in Blue media against the Flyover people. A basic level of respect for people who think differently is absolutely necessary if they're ever going to solve any of their problems.

I am definitely no expert.
Gun reform laws would have a hard time passing. The deepest of the Red really don't trust the Other Side. Rightly or wrongly, they don't. They would feel like it was an attack on them, their way of life, when 99.99% of them are responsible owners, well trained, gun safes, the rest of it. They also know criminal gangs would have no bother getting whatever they want so pointless anyway. Look at drugs for example, banned or not if you want them you'll get them. We don't ban cars because the occasional crazy person deliberately goes the wrong way on the motorway, killing innocent children. I don't know, I think that's the mindset anyway.

There's just so many psychological/emtional/spiritual problems there - well, being highlighted anyway - that I think at root it's just fear. They no longer trust each other. In my darkest moments i think we're going the same way 😓

I think it'd have happened after the Sandy Hook shootings if it was going to happen. 26 people shot dead in an elementary school, 20 of them very young children. A Democrat president in the White House. America is far more divided today after Trump than it was then.

It's not about a moral high ground it's about discussing the horrific events that are causing children to die in schools and why they are happening and what needs to be done. Its literally a discussion forum. U just sound like ur trying to police the conversation which is weird to me.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be one of the most idiotic phrases ever uttered.

Guns may not be sentient beings capable of killing on their own accord but they make it much much easier to for people to kill multiples of people quickly and safely (from the killers perspective).

If that's your logic then tactical nuclear warheads, anthrax, and cruise missiles don't kill people either, but if you even tried to buy one of them you'd be inside a supermax or CIA black site before you could shout "I have the right to bear arms!!!!"

There's whataboutery and there's "first remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

I don't think people in the UK have any moral high ground at the moment when it comes to pretty much anything.

There are other threads on this though. It’s a discussion about something else that is topical. I don’t get the outrage at people just talking about it.

But the massive increase in school shootings is fairly recent, to the point where they only even started tracking statistics about 20 years ago.

That's good. Met Police & the Government not doing so good. And all the other things I pointed out and plenty others.

I'm curious with ur comment about not dealing with others problems as everyone has their own. Does that apply to everything? Like not talking to a friend if they have problem because u might have problems yourself. Isn't that just burying ur head in sand incase u upset anyone? Why is it even relevant the UK problems when discussing america? Surely that's just a whataboutism?

If it was going to change, it would have happened long ago.

They don't have gun control they do have 'I will take the amendments I can justify I want'

Perhaps.

That's probably the 'customer facing' level like the way the big big arms manufacturers run US foreign policy.

I don’t think red necks or stupid

But it is an issue especially school shootings

Do you think it’s just something the US has and it won’t change?

From 1980 to 2018, more than 30,000 people have died by police violence in the United States, according to a 2021 article published in The Lancet.

The second amendment says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

There are arguments over what constitutes a well regulated militia and whether that regulation is part of the right of the people to bear arms. However, under the American constitution each state has the right to decide these matters for itself. No president or Congress can usurp that right by bringing in laws wholesale that could be deemed to 'infringe' the right to bear arms. Given the nature of the current SCOTUS it is unlikely that any case that went that far would succeed. In order to amend the constitution, three quarters of the states would have to agree, and that seems unlikely given the number of Republican-dominated states (and even some Democrat-dominated states might have an issue with it). It's no good looking at the issue through British eyes and how it would work under a British legislative system.

Just to point out I'm not American. And not denying at all that the US has major problems. Obviously it does. Just saying people here should take their heads out of their own arses and fix their own problems before pointing the finger at others.

The NRA control American politics.
There's a good paper on Google scholar about this.

I disagree.

In the rare instances where Americans are given the opportunity to vote on gun control reforms (which can occur at state level) they generally vote to implement them (see for example, Oregon’s new gun control laws passed last year).

The issue is, however, usually wrapped up in party politics (particularly at a Federal level).

People can make their own guns nowadays with 3D printing. Also modify semi-automatic firearms to make them fully automatic.

Luckily there is no thread police here.

Clutching at straws 😮When your police system is not fit for purpose, with officers murdering women, strip-searching schoolgirls, guilty of hate crimes, taking and circulating photos of female murder victims. You think kids drowning in the sea is clutching at straws???

The blinkered hypocrisy and compartmentalising of people here shouldn't amaze me anymore but I continue to be shocked at the brazenness of it all.

U have just explained America too. Just guns instead of knives and u have children dying in schools ASWELL. Added people going bankrupt from health care. U don't hold the high ground like u think u do