Is anyone else just fed up with all this?

Very similar to where I live. There's a small group of idiot kids and parents in the next town, but not where we are.

I think respect has disappeared, along with a lack of actual parenting and a sense of entitlement. It's embarrassing.

Bit in my small town, all is good so far.

Have to say, not my experience at all.

Live on an ordinary housing estate, kids are fine, drive to work every day past teenagers going to school they're usually just chatting.

Meet the odd idiot on the road but haven't noticed much change in behaviour. I passed my driving test in the nineties despite the examiner telling me I kept speeding so I certainly don"t thimk there is less respect for limits now!

Our town was ok( nowhere is perfect , but people liked retiring here) Then new houses sprung up and it’s all expanding into other areas and the roads are now gridlocked and had more anti social behavior. Politicians don’t care and those moving out from London are getting cheaper homes but at a cost to us who have lived here a long time. People do need homes, but the infrastructure isn’t here and that’s never addressed , the ones doing the building just want the profits.

Where do you live?? Surely it can’t be classed as affluent and upmarket if you are facing those issues ..

100% agree with this!

Haven’t seen any of that in my SW London neighbourhood. At Halloween all the kids were polite and no issues (we had over 250 kids coming so busy). Terrace three beds sell for well over £1m so reckon it’s fairly affluent.

Another first time poster telling us the country is going to the dogs.

Mumsnet is becoming a parody of itself in front of our eyes.

Surprising they haven't claimed two people on their street have Motability cars despute being in percect health etc etc etc

Having walked past people smoking crack/heroin? (Not weed anyway) Sitting on the high street in Kent on a Sunday recently things do feel like they are getting worse. Ive never ever seen it before. I high streets getting worse, criminal behavior becoming normal (shop lifting is rife).

Have been on holiday to countries with security guards and metal detectors at shopping centres (and even pubs) and private security guards and can see it coming here in a couple of decades.

I have seen security guards in Greggs already.

Yesterday the kids in balaclavas on mopeds on the canal got all their mates to wait for me to walk past with my dog as she is terrified of bikes.
I asked one of them very nicely to wait a sec and he told all of his mates to turn of their engines.
Im sure they are also little buggers at times but this lot were alright!

I don't really understand these posts- I live in an area which has never been "nice" or expensive yet I never see the things being described here. I had my door egged once on Halloween, and I have spent over 40 Halloween's here.

I live in a town that people say is 'posh' near a city that has a bad reputation.

In the summer holidays both times I went into the town centre there were gangs of youths going about with masks and balaclavas, nicking bikes and causing havoc, smashing stuff etc. These kids were around 12, they found it funny. The police round them up but just return them to their parents, they're never going to be prosecuted and they know it.

Go to the local parks and you'll see men in pairs or gangs on scooters / motorbikes/ quad bikes / e bikes with balaclavas, going all over the kids box tracks or nicking stuff (bikes and phones) from kids.

Regular stabbings (teen on teen, male on male, gang related mostly).

The local Facebook group of the suburb of the city (my town borders this) is full of warnings and reports of flashers, needles, addicts openly using, muggings amd shoplifting. Its a lot of anti social behavior rather than 'serious' / violent crime which apparently hasn't increased, but it makes people feel a lot less safe. The police are called but say they cant do much for most of it. All the decent shops there have shut and been replaced by open all hours mini marts, Turkish barbers and charity shops. Local people feel a bit hopeless. I've lived here 20 years (not from here originally) and it's changed significantly in the last 5-10. It's sad

Same. And I live in an affluent area, in Cornwall.

My first thought too.

Affluent area of Edinburgh here. I see none of this. However I work in a secondary school in a more deprived area and see it loads.

This makes me appreciate where we live. SE London suburb and I honestly have never seen any of this. We are considering moving but I do wonder if teens in the market town we like will be bored/ this behaviour will be common…

I'm being mean and grumpy and vastly over simplifying, and I'm going off on a bit of a tangent, but people living in non-affluent areas shouldn't have to up with this sh&& either and have plenty decent people in 'bad' areas who are equally affected by the carry on. And that isn't to minimise the impact the OP's idiots are having. It is blumin hard to fix.

On our estate the trick or treaters were very well behaved and polite. I was working in a neighbouring town last night and passed 2 largr groups of youths, high-school aged walking about with snoods covering half their faces with rockets and other fireworks. I had just finished work and was waiting for a lift but went into a shop to wait as I didn't feel safe. Their parents may well be on their way home from work as I was. There is a big problem though with anti social behaviour around this time of year in Scotland though and parents don't work with the authorities to deal with it. There is no real deterrent and children know they can get away with it.

Yup me too. Rough old corner of London with lots of poverty but the sweetest trick or treaters and other than the occasional show off who says sorry when you shout ‘careful’, no hoodie gangs on scooters here.

I fell over my own stupid sandals in the summer and a group of teenage boys were the first to help me up and check I was ok. (I’m old is my excuse)!

Sorry, where you live doesn't sound upmarket at all, it sounds rough. Where I live is a real mix of 'nicer' homes, and council houses, but it's nothing like what you describe. We do get lots of people on escooters, some kids wear balaclavas on said escooters, but it's not really an issue. There is a cycle path people use through fields so lots of bikes, scooters and off lead dogs whizzing around in the dark after work, but most of the escooter youths slow down when they see a dog. It's the cyclists with no lights and the delivery bikes that are the problem.

People leave parcels on their steps all the time, no egging, no thefts, no vandalism. I feel safe walking in the fields at nights.

Mine is a quite expensive area ..good links to London bump the prices up
No issues here ..but that could all change due to government plans .
But so far a lovely area

Wheres op gone?

Why wouldn't you just say the name of the town you moved from?

It’s the enshittification of things. It’s a well known concept! Xx

My father is over 80 and points out that society has become far more violent since the cane was abolished in schools! I think it stands to reason because no one has any fear any more, and fear keeps people in line.

I would hazard a guess at six causes though not sure of the order

• family breakdown (=poverty, lack of supervision, lack of male role models)
• lack of discipline in the home and school
• more immigrants from certain places (no one wants to admit this and it’s a shame they aren’t more open about the stats but it seems to be true when stats do come to light).
• Drugs are fuelling a lot of terrible crime.
• Fewer police on the streets
• Consistent rounds of cuts in funding to the legal service and prisons.

Theresa May got rid of 20000 police officers - I think that was a huge mistake.

The strong arm of the law does make a difference as does learning respect and obedience from a young age. This was the whole goal of my parents, no parent has these as a priority nowadays because we believe a child should not feel fear. We were afraid of both our parents and teachers if we didn’t behave, so we behaved. It’s very simple really.

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