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Thread 27 : To feel disappointed - and disgusted and vindicated now too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 25/06/2026 20:01

NO POSTS PLEASE UNTIL THREAD 26 IS FULL

Please see the OP of Thread 25 for all the links to The Observer's reporting and podcast series, our threads one to 24 and so on:
Thread 25 : To feel disappointed - and disgusted and vindicated now too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet

New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are always welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from some of Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou's excellent exposé items before posting. Chloe's podcast series for The Observer 'The Walkers' covers most things:
The Walkers: The real Salt Path | The Observer
Another suggestion:
BBC Sounds - Secrets of the Salt Path - Available Episodes
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea: please do not engage with drive-by scolders who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. For nearly a year we have done amazingly well together for 26 very interesting, very serious and very silly, threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

We are still here after 26,000 posts and fast approaching our one year anniversary together on 6th July 2026, 12 months on from the start of our first thread in response to Our Chloe's somewhat stunning initial exposé. Little did we know what else would come out. Our longevity comes as both a total surprise and a pleasure (mostly!). We've seen charabancers come and go, come back again, delurk and join us for the first time. All are welcome. Threads have both filled up in a day and moved at a more stately pace. Thank you everyone for sharing your time, thoughts, opinions, experience, questions, sleuthing (there's that word!), kindness (there's that other word!) and great humour with me and with each other. As ever, as we embark on our 27th thread riding the community charabanc - this time all holding our brollies and fans aloft for much-needed shade and breeze - keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider, (but not too much in the current heatwave).

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YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 14/08/2026 22:38

DisappointedReader · 14/08/2026 21:36

This is largely why I didn't want to discuss him on the thread. Jason was a completely different personality to Sally and Tim Walker. He had a great deal of vulnerability and fragility about him and today's news has not surprised me at all. He wasn't motivated by greed like the Walkers. His actions needed to be seen within his individual psyche. Together with the colour of his skin and background, the disabilities and experiences he claimed also made him very useful to the likes of Cambridge on a diversity drive. Questions must be asked and answered. How much care was taken of him? The sort of attention - the very public dismantling - was always going to be a very risky time for suicide for someone like him. May Jason rest in peace and my thoughts are with those who genuinely cared about him.

Wholeheartedly agree. Forever impressed by the words of Our DisappointedReader

DierdreDaphne · 16/08/2026 08:15

Haha first thought on seeing that picture was Nono not a fire in this weather! I fear I'm the sort of poster other posters are suggesting has lost her sense of proportion since the government alert...

I can imagine everyone who made that film, including the actors, is beyond frustrated. And I guess they can't publically attack the root source of their frustration - for all kinds of fairly obvious reasons: legal, commercial and personal. So they are reduced to a kind of generic seething, with a clutch at "lots of it is still valid" to try to redeem the situation.

Not seen the film (unsurprisingly!) but I guess the scenery is nice, and perfectly valid? (apart from where they are obviously walking the wrong way I suppose..)

BrandiedAromatics · 16/08/2026 08:22

ThompsonTwin · 15/08/2026 19:48

"lots of it is still valid" to try to redeem the situation. @DierdreDaphne

Yes, thanks for the link @ThompsonTwin Love the last line of this article ....

DierdreDaphne · 16/08/2026 08:27

Haha yes @BrandiedAromatics , nicely tart! 😅

DisappointedReader · 16/08/2026 20:24

He did not state which parts of the story were still valid.

Nice and salty!

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YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 17/08/2026 20:59

Not sure if this has been shared...only published yesterday so I don't think it has. A bit more insight from GA about the scandal from Telegraph based on a Sunday Times piece which I can't access.

Perhaps most intriguing is GA was told the legal case was ongoing pre-scandal hence why the WWs couldn't talk about it. A convenient get out from the WWs.

(Click link below, scroll down to open the comments and the paywall popup won't load letting you read it.)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/08/16/gillian-anderson-salt-path-winn/

BrandiedAromatics · 17/08/2026 21:59

Thanks for the article @YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree - I was interested that GA mentions the 'due diligence', the scrolling doesn't work for me, but here it is:

Gillian Anderson: I felt betrayed by Salt Path scandal

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 17/08/2026 22:09

Interesting blog piece from a few days ago

https://tartaruspress.blogspot.com/2026/08/a-few-thoughts-on-salt-path-by-raynor.html?

Begins as:

Full disclosure: I decided to read Raynor Winn’s best-selling The Salt Path (2018) after I had seen all the controversy about the book. Stories published in The Observer newspaper since July 2025 suggest that important elements of Winn’s memoir have been fabricated, and authors of unreliable autobiography interest me. Primarily, I am fascinated by why they misrepresent themselves, then how they react when this misrepresentation is discovered. I am also interested in why some people are willing to continue reading authors whose integrity has been fatally undermined.

A Few Thoughts on The Salt Path by Raynor Winn

  Full disclosure: I decided to read Raynor Winn’s best-selling The Salt Path (2018) after I had seen all the controversy about the book. S...

https://tartaruspress.blogspot.com/2026/08/a-few-thoughts-on-salt-path-by-raynor.html

BrandiedAromatics · 17/08/2026 22:26

Yes, it is interesting @YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree and I think this article carefully works through the aspects of TSP and the author's culpability. I like the way there is a positive for our friends who did believe Raynor Winn:

But perhaps there is even more to be gained from acknowledging when you have been fooled, and learning from the experience. We all make mistakes, and it takes a great deal of strength and humility to admit to them.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/08/2026 09:50

I do feel for GA and JI regarding the film. They will have signed up to do publicity well before the scandal broke and it must be incredibly hard for them to remain positive yet neutral.

They can't sing the praises of the book, of the Winn-Walkers, or any of the background to the film's story, all they can do is talk about the film as an isolated entity. And they are contractually obliged (if they want to work again) to be positive about that, whilst not saying anything negative against Sal or the writing of the book.

They must be constantly performing a mental dance in order to bring in viewers and yet not imply that they condone the lying, theft, fraud and pretence that is behind it all!

HatStickBoots · 18/08/2026 15:08

Ms Anderson said the couple met her and Mr Isaacs while promoting the film, but said they had not heard from them since the exposé.
She continued: “It must have been really unsettling, to be potentially, allegedly, not telling the truth on live TV.”

The careful wording in the above statement must be so difficult but then of course she’s a professional and practiced at reading from scripts. We all wondered how the two actors must have felt afterwards when discovering that it was all a charade. She thinks on their behalf, that it must have been unsettling, but they didn’t seem unsettled at all and on the contrary were taking this scam and running with it as far as they could with future plans in the pipeline and already that fourth book that was based on yet more nonsense. I think Ms Anderson might be giving the WWs an emotion (guilt, shame?) that neither really has. If they did, they wouldn’t have done it in the first place!

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/08/2026 16:56

HatStickBoots · 18/08/2026 15:08

Ms Anderson said the couple met her and Mr Isaacs while promoting the film, but said they had not heard from them since the exposé.
She continued: “It must have been really unsettling, to be potentially, allegedly, not telling the truth on live TV.”

The careful wording in the above statement must be so difficult but then of course she’s a professional and practiced at reading from scripts. We all wondered how the two actors must have felt afterwards when discovering that it was all a charade. She thinks on their behalf, that it must have been unsettling, but they didn’t seem unsettled at all and on the contrary were taking this scam and running with it as far as they could with future plans in the pipeline and already that fourth book that was based on yet more nonsense. I think Ms Anderson might be giving the WWs an emotion (guilt, shame?) that neither really has. If they did, they wouldn’t have done it in the first place!

I wonder if she is ascribing the emotions to them that she feels herself?

HatStickBoots · 18/08/2026 18:10

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 18/08/2026 16:56

I wonder if she is ascribing the emotions to them that she feels herself?

Quite possibly, I did think of that myself.
Mentioning having not heard from them since the exposé sounds very much as though the actors had been keen to stay in touch. Interestingly, Ms Anderson doesn’t say anything in print about her initial thoughts on “Raynor Winn” being ‘guarded’ etc. Her intuition was spot on and like everyone else who met this woman, she brushed it off and made up reasons for it.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 21/08/2026 08:35

I just checked out On Winter Hill and all my results (which are probably AI generated because I can't turn the bloody thing off) say that it was published on 23 October 2025.

So I don't think we have to worry about our AI Overlords taking over the world just yet, when they can't even get a simple fact like that right. MUCH further down the page there's an article about publication being delayed, but there doesn't seem to be any update for a while and certainly no touting of a new release date, which I would have thought they'd be having to do to ramp up the publicity first.

So maybe it has been quietly shelved?

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 21/08/2026 09:58

HatStickBoots · 21/08/2026 09:53

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/320471/on-winter-hill-by-winn-raynor/9780241484586

Unfortunately it’s still out there @Vroomfondleswaistcoat for January 2028.

I did find it eventually, but was encouraged (or confused by AI) by the first posts which said it was already published. January 2028 is still so far away that I wonder if the dates will quietly get pushed further and further back if the controversy rumbles on?

But perhaps they are just hoping that it will all die down before then .

HatStickBoots · 21/08/2026 15:52

A few pages ago it was mentioned by @ThompsonTwin that Visit Cornwall still has a page devoted to TSP. I have written to ask them why, asked if they’d seen or heard the various exposes etc some of which include interviews from the people and businesses who’ve been portrayed completely untruthfully and whose livelihoods had been affected. I asked them to take the page down or give it a rewrite. We’ll see what response we get.

HatStickBoots · 21/08/2026 19:11

Mmmmm. I received an automated reply to tell me that Visit Cornwall CIC entered into voluntary liquidation in October 2025 and is no longer operating.

BrandiedAromatics · 21/08/2026 19:17

HatStickBoots · 21/08/2026 19:11

Mmmmm. I received an automated reply to tell me that Visit Cornwall CIC entered into voluntary liquidation in October 2025 and is no longer operating.

That is strange because I looked at their page and they give up to date info. So I know what film is on at the Poly tonight .....?

HatStickBoots · 21/08/2026 19:33

BrandiedAromatics · 21/08/2026 19:17

That is strange because I looked at their page and they give up to date info. So I know what film is on at the Poly tonight .....?

“Cornwall Council are assisting this next phase to create a positive new era for destination management. This inbox is not regularly monitored.”
I don’t understand it either?

Pieces of Us is just starting now. It sounds really interesting, I’m going to watch the trailer.

MrKippling · 24/08/2026 16:45

I was in one of ly local branches of The Works over the weekend, and I noticed that TSP was on the shelves at a suitably reduced price. I then noticed that TSP also had a new cover, not the film tie in cover with with GA and JI. But another artist, not Angela Harding

The Salt Path paperback new cover art

I am glad for Angela Harding's sake that her artwork is no longer associated with SW, thereby removing the risk of taint by association. I remember reading on these threads that SW claimed that Angela Harding had 'cashed in' on the back of SW's sucess, and that SW was demanding a print (or was it an original) of Harding's artwork as some form of recompense. One thing I can be honest about it was Angela Harding's artwork that drew my attention to the book, and has resulted in my buying the hardback copies of A Year Unfolding; Wild Light and Still Waters and Wild Waves, all much more enjoyable looking through than any of SW's hackwork.

Looking at the new artwork for TSP, I would say it is the same artist for OWH. Interestingly, the new artist is not bothered in being associated with SW, her bogus biographies and her lies and deceit.

HatStickBoots · 24/08/2026 17:24

Maybe they used Ai @MrKippling ? Did you look inside to see an artist’s credit?

I agree about Angela Harding’s art and it really lifted that mediocre content and gave it a sealed stamp of authenticity in my eye. Unfortunately she’d already done the cover for On Winter Hill. The best things about those books are the covers and a very wry reminder to ‘never judge a book by its cover’. I do really feel for her, yet another decent person, a beautiful artist whose craft is a true reflection of her innermost self and the natural world. She had to meet these deceitful fuckwits and create something that the Walkers didn’t deserve.

MrKippling · 24/08/2026 17:45

@HatStickBoots there is a credit for the new artist on the back of the new paperback, unfortunately I didn't make a note of the name. But I do agree with you the new design does look like an AI creation. Perhaps the new illustrator uses AI in creating their art? I thought the new artwork looks like a sub-Angela Harding illustration.

I'm sorry to hear Angela has done the illustration to OWH. Hopefully, that is the end of that working relationship.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 24/08/2026 17:51

Interesting to see that in @MrKippling s link above, the new cover shows for the full book but the pictures underneath are still of the original cover. Perhaps they are only just now starting to change over?