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To think husband doesn't get to have it both ways re children?

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PickledFrog · 04/04/2024 07:16

My husband has two older children and we have younger DC together.

Since they have been older (12 & 14) he has got into the habit of leaving them at home at the weekend whilst he goes to work (SE so can definitely choose whether to go or not) often not telling me about this until the night before / day of.

He will say it doesn't matter because they are old enough to look after themselves so makes no difference to me. Fine.

I have taken to thinking well I'll just get on with my day then as normal if he says it makes no difference to me I.e. Still going out with the little ones etc..

He will make comments about this though sometimes like if I'm out over lunch time asking me if DSC have eaten, what they have for lunch, should be making sure they have something. Or even sometimes saying it's mean of me not to take DSC out with me if I end up going somewhere they might light for example I once had a trip to a big aquarium/zoo place planned with my sister and our younger children and he was pissed that I didn't immediately take DSC with me when I found out he had decided to go in work, instead they stayed home alone all day.

I just think he wants his cake and to eat it too. You can't say oh it makes no difference to you because they can look after themselves so I'm going out and then in the same breath moan about me not looking after them? Can they look after themselves or not? If they can then it shouldn't matter that I get on with my day, if they can't then he should be at home or at the very least asking me if it's okay.

What do you think?

OP posts:
InterIgnis · 04/04/2024 11:19

Nowayhayday · 04/04/2024 11:18

But it is literally the step mum the current unwanted dc are staying with, so my comparison stands

They're staying with their father. That he booked to work and tried to dump them on OP doesn’t mean they became her responsibility.

MidnightPatrol · 04/04/2024 11:18

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 04/04/2024 11:09

She presumably does care for them on a day to day basis, feeding them, ensuring they wash, there's food in the house. But she shouldn't have to take them out or feed them when she's out (teens should be more than capable of making food for themselves). Unless she's expected to be a paid maid and cook?

If she provides a level of care for her own children, she should be providing that level of care of her step children while they are there too.

They're kids, excluding them from stuff or letting them go without is mean, even if her DH shouldn't work on his contact weekends because he should be spending quality time with his children.

Nowayhayday · 04/04/2024 11:18

InterIgnis · 04/04/2024 09:49

No, staying with their father.

I doubt OP would be expecting the stepmother to be providing childcare and/or entertainment in this scenario.

But it is literally the step mum the current unwanted dc are staying with, so my comparison stands

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 04/04/2024 11:14

BusyMummy001 · 04/04/2024 11:08

So, you have a point re your DH’s attitude - but neglecting and ignoring your poor DSC in order to score points is pretty despicable.

If you’ve arranged a day out with your kids on a weekend your DSC are staying, WTF wouldn’t you either invite them and/or make it clear to DH that he needs to spend time with them if they have chosen not to join you?

And WTF would you go out for the day, knowing your 12-14yo DSCs will be home alone and NOT make sure they have lunch and snacks in place?

Yeah, DH is being a selfish twat, but you are being mean, cruel and equally selfish. Those poor DSC deserve better than you and your DH behaving like complete and utter arses.

Edited

OK, so she's said that she already asks them if they want to come out with her on the day but they're in bed. So scenario here.

OP's DH: I'll be working tomorrow love (Saturday)
OP: Ok, have you asked stepkids if they want to come out with me and other DC to X place? If not, then you should really do something with them for the day.
OP's DH: I did ask them but they weren't sure if they wanted to come, can you check with them tomorrow?

OP: Ok, I'll ask them tomorrow morning but if they're not up by 10am we really need to be out because as you know the other DC are active and get bored.

Tomorrow morning comes - OP asks her stepkids if they'd like to come out and they either say no or they're not up by 10am to go out. It is now too late to ask her DH to come home to take them out as he's at work, in theory if he finishes work say at lunchtime he could take them out for the afternoon, but it's up to him how he organises his day if SE.

travelallthetime · 04/04/2024 11:13

I cant beleive people are getting their knickers in a twist over you not taking a 12 & 14 year old to an aquarium. Its my teen's idea of hell, they would much rather stay at home, not be pesterred and do their own thing. By the sounds of itOP if you were taking the little ones to a theme park them older DSC would be invited.
The issue is your husbands comments nd you are right, he can decide they are old enough to fend for themselves and go to work and not expect you to plan your day around them, or, he can decide that they shouldnt be left alone and not work weekends. Its his choice. Absolutely not yours, especially when actuall,y should you work around the DSC all of the time then the toddlers would miss out.
Im taking my youngest to a trampoline place tomorrow, over lunch time, leaving the eldest at home. Didnt even ask him if he wants to come because I know the answer. He will be left to fend for himself becuase dad is at work. This is no different to your situation and the eldest will be fine and dad wont moan that I havent stayed at home to make him lunch and made the youngest miss out!

MistyGreenAndBlue · 04/04/2024 11:12

PickledFrog · 04/04/2024 08:33

Occasionally I invite them, not always. And I will feed them if I'm in the house. But no I won't make sure I'm there over lunch time for example if I have plans just specifically to make sure they eat.

As I say in my OP, they can either look after themselves or they can't. He says they can.

They are also with us 50:50 so it's not the only time they spend at our house.

Then its perfectly clear he's asked for 50/50 so he doesn't have to pay child support. Not because he's remotely interested in raising his own kids.

Apparently it's totally fine for HIM to neglect his kids (they are old enough to manage without him) but unacceptable for OP to take the same attitude (according to him)
Yes, he's a hypocrite and a bad parent.

Temporaryanonymity · 04/04/2024 11:12

My sons unfortunately were treated the same. The youngest still shows up at his dad’s hoping he might get shown some attention. The eldest at 17 has just stopped going and he completely sees his father and his stepmother for who they are. It’s a tremendously sad thing for a teenager to learn.

My eldest has a polite, yet very distant relationship with his father. He expects nothing from his stepmother and it’s clear she’s happy with this.

Brefugee · 04/04/2024 11:11

My mum and stepdad worked together to raise me and whilst my family have problems, that is one thing that they did right.

yes but here the dad isn't doing anything. He is voluntarily working when his own children are there. This isn't a lovely blended family where stepmum and dad are raising lovely kids. This is a man who has opted out and whinging that his ersatz nanny isn't changing her plans, short notice, to include his own offspring. Not many kids that age that i have known like the same thing as tiny kids.

So no. The sad thing here is that yet another twat dad is getting a free pass and so many people are putting all the focus on how mean the stepmum is. OP, you're fine. Keep on keeping on. Maybe next time the step kids come over you could leave your DH, suddenly, in charge of all his kids and have a day out on your own?

PixieLaLar · 04/04/2024 11:10

So DH leaves the DSC at home, their Mum regularly leaves them to go out also but somehow it’s the OP to be held accountable for parenting her own DC and going on planned days out with them….Riiiight 🙄

What stands out is how DH doesn’t spend quality time with any of his children.
Sad really.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 04/04/2024 11:09

MidnightPatrol · 04/04/2024 11:06

How do you think she should be treating them day-to-day then?

Given these are the children of her husband, and living in her house. They are 12 and 14 - and she's known them since they were a lot younger given she has two of her own with the same dad.

I find it extraordinary that anyone would get into a relationship with someone with young children (and they must have been very young hone they got together), and then be annoyed at having to participate in the care of those children.

If you don't want stepchildren, don't marry a man with kids.

She presumably does care for them on a day to day basis, feeding them, ensuring they wash, there's food in the house. But she shouldn't have to take them out or feed them when she's out (teens should be more than capable of making food for themselves). Unless she's expected to be a paid maid and cook?

InterIgnis · 04/04/2024 11:09

MidnightPatrol · 04/04/2024 11:06

How do you think she should be treating them day-to-day then?

Given these are the children of her husband, and living in her house. They are 12 and 14 - and she's known them since they were a lot younger given she has two of her own with the same dad.

I find it extraordinary that anyone would get into a relationship with someone with young children (and they must have been very young hone they got together), and then be annoyed at having to participate in the care of those children.

If you don't want stepchildren, don't marry a man with kids.

Exactly as she is doing seems fine 🤷🏻‍♀️

It’s not for me to dictate how anyone else ‘should’ be running their family. My permission and/or understanding is no required than yours is.

If a parent wants a partner that will step into the parental role with their children then it’s on them to make that clear, and not begin a relationship with someone that isn’t open to that.

BusyMummy001 · 04/04/2024 11:08

So, you have a point re your DH’s attitude - but neglecting and ignoring your poor DSC in order to score points is pretty despicable.

If you’ve arranged a day out with your kids on a weekend your DSC are staying, WTF wouldn’t you either invite them and/or make it clear to DH that he needs to spend time with them if they have chosen not to join you?

And WTF would you go out for the day, knowing your 12-14yo DSCs will be home alone and NOT make sure they have lunch and snacks in place?

Yeah, DH is being a selfish twat, but you are being mean, cruel and equally selfish. Those poor DSC deserve better than you and your DH behaving like complete and utter arses.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 04/04/2024 11:07

Nanny0gg · 04/04/2024 10:56

Sadly, prince though he is, it doesn't seem to be working, does it?

Does his ex know he leaves his kids on their own and isn't bothering with them?

He doesn't seem to concerned though does he? He's either happy they're at home or expects his wife to take them out and entertain them, even if they don't want to go out with him?

This is the reason why my friend who's living with a divorced dad (their flat is too small to have the teenage boys over to stay, they live full time with their mother) on Saturdays he sees his sons, even evenings if they want to and he can stay with the mother at the family home (no funny business just overnight) and they do whatever the boys like, though now they're teenagers they less interested in spending time with dad and more time with their friends/girlfriends.

Farahfawsett · 04/04/2024 11:07

Surely you just agree with your H that every weekend he has his kids he can only work until lunchtime.

That way he can be home shortly after his teens get up and he can make them lunch, regardless of whether the OP is home or not.

That way, he gets to see his kids (which is what he should be doing on his contact time) and OP can make full or half day plans.

Also, OP can have the afternoon child free if she likes knowing her H will be home (just as the H has had his morning child free- yes, he may be looking after four kids but they're HIS four kids) and if he decides not to come home and make them lunch, then that's his decision. He has chosen not to care for his own children.

Personally, I think that the H sounds like a shit husband and father and I can see why his first wife got shot of him, but if the OP is going to stay with him, at least the lunchtime line in the sand let's everyone know where they stand.

Vod · 04/04/2024 11:06

NoTouch · 04/04/2024 10:48

I would not be complicit in allowing any 12 year old to be regularly left alone to fend for themselves.

He is the dad and absolutely should be prioritising his dc. But I couldn’t as a responsible adult walk out leaving them alone in my home again and again when it didn’t feel right. That doesn’t mean I would take responsibility for them, but I would make damn sure their dad didn’t put me in that position, or I wouldn’t be with a man who treated his children so poorly.

Let's say OP decided to end the relationship because of his behaviour. Bearing in mind that both parents do this regularly and their dad only seems to identify a problem when it's OP who does it, the outcome of this is likely to be the 12 year old left at home more.

There's a limit to what someone who isn't the child's parent can actually do, especially if they don't take responsibility for the DC.

MidnightPatrol · 04/04/2024 11:06

InterIgnis · 04/04/2024 10:59

Yes, she married a man with children. And? That doesn’t make her responsible for his children. You can think it does and repeat that as much as you like, it doesn’t make it true. She’s not responsible for childcare, and has no parental responsibility at all. That’s still entirely his.

He married someone that wasn’t the mother of his children, that wasn’t going to act as if she was. As the parent you’d think that, if he wanted that, he’d have made it very clear before the relationship ever progressed. That he didn’t isn’t her fault either.

Edited

How do you think she should be treating them day-to-day then?

Given these are the children of her husband, and living in her house. They are 12 and 14 - and she's known them since they were a lot younger given she has two of her own with the same dad.

I find it extraordinary that anyone would get into a relationship with someone with young children (and they must have been very young hone they got together), and then be annoyed at having to participate in the care of those children.

If you don't want stepchildren, don't marry a man with kids.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 04/04/2024 11:04

MidnightPatrol · 04/04/2024 10:56

Haha, she 'changed the dynamic' by marrying someone who already had two children.

While her DH should not leave her to care for his children alone regularly, she should also behave like an adult and is 'in loco parentis' as a result of marrying their father.

@MississippiAF very sad for the step children to not be invited to activities by their stepmother. The OP doesn't say the children didn't want to come to the aquarium, just that she didn't ask so they stayed home alone all day.

She has said on other occasions she has asked them if they want to be involved in stuff and they have said no. She should always ask - excluding them because she doesn't want them to join seems mean. She could arrange to visit the aquarium (or whatever. else) on the weekends they are at their mums, if she really doesn't want them there.

It's a bit rude not to ask them to certain places where they might like to go, but equally you shouldn't be waiting for them to get up so you can go out places. I can get that it gets tiring if you always ask them if they want to come out with you and 9/10 they say no.

I agree with you OP though, it's tricky when there are huge age gaps with children trying to work out what to do. When my youngest half sister was young, (she's about 11 years younger than me), the earliest time I could take her out with her two much older half siblings (9 and 7 years younger than me) was when she was about 8, and the same when she travelled by train (from Harrow to SE London) to see me with her siblings. When she was younger there wasn't much she could do/enjoyed. It was a bit easier if I met my siblings with their step-mum as she could bring the youngest most places (unless my dad or other relatives was looking after her).

phoenixrosehere · 04/04/2024 10:59

Nanny0gg · 04/04/2024 10:56

Sadly, prince though he is, it doesn't seem to be working, does it?

Does his ex know he leaves his kids on their own and isn't bothering with them?

The mum does the same thing with her children as the dad, yet OP is being held to a higher standard.

InterIgnis · 04/04/2024 10:59

MidnightPatrol · 04/04/2024 10:56

Haha, she 'changed the dynamic' by marrying someone who already had two children.

While her DH should not leave her to care for his children alone regularly, she should also behave like an adult and is 'in loco parentis' as a result of marrying their father.

@MississippiAF very sad for the step children to not be invited to activities by their stepmother. The OP doesn't say the children didn't want to come to the aquarium, just that she didn't ask so they stayed home alone all day.

She has said on other occasions she has asked them if they want to be involved in stuff and they have said no. She should always ask - excluding them because she doesn't want them to join seems mean. She could arrange to visit the aquarium (or whatever. else) on the weekends they are at their mums, if she really doesn't want them there.

Yes, she married a man with children. And? That doesn’t make her responsible for his children. You can think it does and repeat that as much as you like, it doesn’t make it true. She’s not responsible for childcare, and has no parental responsibility at all. That’s still entirely his.

He married someone that wasn’t the mother of his children, that wasn’t going to act as if she was. As the parent you’d think that, if he wanted that, he’d have made it very clear before the relationship ever progressed. That he didn’t isn’t her fault either.

funinthesun19 · 04/04/2024 10:58

InterIgnis · 04/04/2024 10:34

So? Like all parents he shouldn’t have agreed to work if it meant he didn’t have childcare.

Their mother AND father leave them alone at home, yet apparently it’s a problem with the stepmother does it.

I bet if OP didn’t have toddlers and just got on with her day doing whatever she wants to do, nobody would be batting an eyelid about a 12 and 14 year old making their own lunch and being on their own for most of the day 🤦🏼‍♀️.

Saying that though, she’s a stepmum. So isn’t really allowed to make her own decisions so I might be wrong.

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 04/04/2024 10:57

PickledFrog · 04/04/2024 10:50

Hats off to you then.

Is the only response to the competitive parenting shit that gets trotted out here sometimes.

OP, can you go congratulate the ‘roast chicken for a week’ people, please 😂

Nanny0gg · 04/04/2024 10:56

Sandwichgen · 04/04/2024 10:48

The OP needs to stand firm because if she gains her point, life - family life- will be better for all four of this man’s children. In that at weekends, the only days when he is available in the meat of the day to actually see and spend time with them all, he will be there - not giving them the slip

the OP isn’t taking this approach to spite the step dc, or because she has no affection or thoughtfulness towards them. It’s to bring their father back on track

Sadly, prince though he is, it doesn't seem to be working, does it?

Does his ex know he leaves his kids on their own and isn't bothering with them?

MidnightPatrol · 04/04/2024 10:56

InterIgnis · 04/04/2024 10:45

It’s adding on two extra people she would have to take responsibility for, changing the dynamic of the day. It wasn’t just OP’s day out either, she had it planned with her sister. The DH doesn’t get to decide for them that the day is going to change.

HE knew he had children. Yes, she knew he had children, but knowing someone has children is very different to ‘knowing your expected to take responsibility for them’. If he wanted a partner that did that he should have laid it out at the very beginning, and not married someone that wasn’t willing to provide that. Once again, that’s on him.

OP isn't responsible for them, he is. She isn’t responsible for providing childcare for them, or paying for them. That is and would be on him, employed or unemployed. Again, his failures don’t fall upon her.

Haha, she 'changed the dynamic' by marrying someone who already had two children.

While her DH should not leave her to care for his children alone regularly, she should also behave like an adult and is 'in loco parentis' as a result of marrying their father.

@MississippiAF very sad for the step children to not be invited to activities by their stepmother. The OP doesn't say the children didn't want to come to the aquarium, just that she didn't ask so they stayed home alone all day.

She has said on other occasions she has asked them if they want to be involved in stuff and they have said no. She should always ask - excluding them because she doesn't want them to join seems mean. She could arrange to visit the aquarium (or whatever. else) on the weekends they are at their mums, if she really doesn't want them there.

Nanny0gg · 04/04/2024 10:55

PickledFrog · 04/04/2024 09:08

I also work all week. DSC are in school during the week like 99% of other children their age.

Why are you putting up with this arse of a man?

Jumpingthruhoops · 04/04/2024 10:51

bellezarara · 04/04/2024 10:13

9/10 times the DSC say no to going with OP and also they're in bed when OP leaves.

If OP drags the teens out of bed to take them with her you'd be screaming child abuse.

Er, no I wouldn't. But OK.

If they don't WANT to go, that's different. Could have done with that information in the original OP.

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