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Sanity check please - was I 'devaluing her art' or is this seller a headcase?

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catPA · 03/04/2024 20:31

I bought some items from an online artist based in Canada. The first purchase was for just under £200 and I paid about £45 in customs tax for that. Fine.

After my first purchase (but while it was still in transit), I looked at her Instagram and the seller had done various posts about how her business is struggling to survive, 'artist poverty is real', '30% off with code 'help me pay my electric bill' etc. I thought all this seemed a bit 'unusual,' (also possibly a bit 'tone deaf' as she lives in a huge, beautiful house by the sea and does her art full time so she can be a SAHM - not a choice many women could make)! But I thought fair enough, she's being honest; I genuinely love her art and good for her living her dream. I wanted to support her business if I could.

So I bought another item for £280 which had previously been listed at about £450 (I think). She was doing a sale across all her work.

I couldn't have afforded it at £450 and also the higher customs tax would have been a bit much for me, on balance.

Anyway, both packages didn't arrive for ages and it turned out they were being held at the post office, pending customs charges. The first package, as I said, required a £45 customs tax payment. However, the second package, required a customs tax payment of £95! I asked how that could be possible, when I had paid £280 for the item. Then I saw that the unexpectedly high customs tax was because the seller had stated the value of goods as £450 (or the equivalent in Canadian dollars).

I messaged the seller and told her that surely it's standard practice to state the actual transaction price on a package for customs purposes.

Thst was it. She was straight into "What do you expect me to do?" etc. Then went into the woe-is-me 'artist poverty is real' and how could I be devaluing her art in this way. She got very personalised very quickly. She said she will never devalue her work again because I had done that for her! She said I was essentially asking her to defraud customs. She basically said she wished she had never sold me anything because I don't value her art!

Ffs I had spent over £600 on it (with the tax). I was talking about labelling for customs tax - I believe it should be the transaction amount stated, not some previous price. How is that in my control?

In summary, she became very unprofessional with me and then blocked me.

I had left her a really positive comment on Instagram as well - before all this!

Apologies for the length.

WIBU?

Also, should I leave her a review stating my experience?

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penjil · 04/04/2024 00:39

She is making fraudulent declarations. Putting an inflated value, rather than an actual value helps noone. Her art is only worth what someone is prepared to pay.

And whatever is paid, needs to be honestly stated.

Have you got a receipt or a record of goe much you actually paid?

You may be able to claim the overpayment back from HMRC.

I'd also email the seller and state you are reporting her to the Canadian Revenue and Customs department for inflated value and fraudulent declarations. Even if you don't actually do it, the threat of it may be enough that she won't do it again to some other poor soul.

What a cow she is. Customs value and price paid should be the same thing. Ugh.

Nohero · 04/04/2024 00:35

This makes no sense…

agree with others asking what the value is to her of doing this? She doesn’t get any more money, she is just making you pay more customs.

it’s baffling.

but also- don’t leave a terrible review, you want her art to appreciate so you can make a nice profit one day 😉

0sm0nthus · 04/04/2024 00:31

MathiasBroucek · 03/04/2024 20:37

She's a nut

This!
I think I'd want to belt her one and for that reason I would back away & not interact with her again.

SleepPrettyDarling · 04/04/2024 00:03

If she is hoping to sell to overseas buyers, she is crazy to falsely inflate her selling price on the customs docket. I’d find it hard to let this go!

QueenCamilla · 03/04/2024 23:58

I spend quite some time researching the tax charges in the destination countries. As a result, I have at times "devalued" my paintings to just 10% of the transaction value to save on customs fees. Sometimes the shipping charge alone has been £90 and no one really needs any extras on top of that!

She sounds zany enough to need a studio assistant 😂

catPA · 03/04/2024 23:56

No, not those initials @Forgottenmypasswordagain.

Thanks Squigglewigglediggle and everyone else.

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Squigglewigglediggle · 03/04/2024 23:38

I'm an artist and have sold work overseas. I've always put the price down as what the customer has paid, that's what it was worth and what it sold at, feels like ego to put it at its pre sale price. She's being completely unprofessional and I would be mortified if a loyal returning customer was having issues. It would be a no brainer and I'd likely offer to cover the excess import fee in this situation.

You haven't devalued her art.

Bad reviews can really damage a small business so I'm always hesitant to suggest that but if they are honest and the business owner isn't trying to rectify the issue, it seems like a fair thing to do!

Forgottenmypasswordagain · 03/04/2024 23:32

We bought a few paintings and art pieces in Nova Scotia, but all were male artists.

Forgottenmypasswordagain · 03/04/2024 23:29

PEI? Initals LK?

catPA · 03/04/2024 23:28

Not BC, but a very Eastern part of Canada.

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catPA · 03/04/2024 23:26

Thst just about says it @Frangipanyoul8r

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CatNamed · 03/04/2024 23:19

You should report her to her tax authorities. If her work is undervalued, her tax bill might be to.

Forgottenmypasswordagain · 03/04/2024 23:17

I am curious who this artist is, is she from BC?

ItsallIeverwanted · 03/04/2024 23:16

Don't link, she's a bit bonkers and likely to threaten to sue! Just enjoy the art and the tale you have to tell...

Frangipanyoul8r · 03/04/2024 23:13

I would post on insta something like “if you’re struggling to make ends meet, I suggest losing the attitude towards repeat customers and brushing up on your customs tax rules. I definitely won’t be buying from you again”.

catPA · 03/04/2024 23:13

@EricHebbornInItaly - yes, in my mind, I am divorcing the art from its maker. Great way to put it.

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catPA · 03/04/2024 23:11

Thanks for all this. I was actually quite discombobulated by her reaction, especially as I'd left her really supportive comments on her Instagram just before I'd ordered.

I will leave a very factual review, yes.

I could leave a link to her site, but not sure that would be ethical and probably breaking MN rules?

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EconomyClassRockstar · 03/04/2024 23:04

I'd not even bother to review and just not buy her art again. Why would she piss off a repeat buyer?! Bloody idiot!

FlamingoFloss · 03/04/2024 23:02

She’s a cf and completely out of order

EricHebbornInItaly · 03/04/2024 23:00

I’m an artist and can see why she’s a ‘struggling artist’, she’s an idiot. Especially stupid to piss off a returning client.

I can see why you’d be put off hanging it on your walls, but many artists are not particularly nice people and people still buy their work, even when knowing that from the off.

Try to divorce the work from the maker. It’s yours now and has a new life with you.

Theothername · 03/04/2024 23:00

All the best artists are a bit unhinged. I’d take it as a good sign. Hopefully it will appreciate in value and you’ll have a story to tell. 🤪

Alicewinn · 03/04/2024 23:00

omg high maintenance - block and ignore

NotAVampire · 03/04/2024 22:58

Absolutely you need to leave an accurate review! Make it brief and factual, she’ll probably write a shitty response to it which will only serve to out her total batshitness to any other potential victims customers.

The beautiful home SAHM faux-poverty bleating has really fucked me off. What a nob honestly. If she can’t figure out how to correctly ship worldwide she needs to give up.

AlwaysOneMissing · 03/04/2024 22:55

I feel like she has misunderstood either what you were saying, or the implications of her writing that price for customs. It must be a misunderstanding on her part, surely, for such a reaction.

LauderSyme · 03/04/2024 22:52

She is an absolute nutter. That is soooo not the way to do business. Definitely write an honest review so others can be prewarned.

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