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Child unwell on school trip

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G172125 · 03/04/2024 19:43

My son is currently on a school trip to Disneyland. He started to feel unwell with stomach pains and vomiting. He got split up from he’s group and was left alone in Disney village. I managed to get hold of the teacher to let her know and she said she would go to him. My son then text me and said she said she Can’t go to him because she is queuing for a ride. Nobody bothered to go look for my son for two hours. Aibu to make a complaint about this and take it further?

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Ionacat · 03/04/2024 20:51

These trips aren’t a jolly for teachers. I’m taking a large number away this summer holidays, it is costing me £££ in extra childcare plus extra food/snacks whilst out and about - it’s not all covered. I’m unlikely to sleep properly whilst there due to the responsibility and will need around 2 to 3 days sleeping/doing nothing to recover.

However as part of our risk assessment, we always have a checkpoint staffed at all times when we let the pupils go off in groups so they know where to find us and there’s at least two staff there so one could go in an emergency. I would not be impressed with his friends going off - it should be drilled into them you don’t leave someone and if someone needs help, one stays with the person and the other goes to seek help.

I wouldn’t complain now, but wait until your DS is back. Then wait until term starts (no one wants this on their holiday) and just ask what happened and what is the risk assessment for theme parks/sending off in groups. Then consider your next move and what you want out of it? Personally, I’d be happy with a review of the risk assessment and assurances that it wouldn’t happen again. I wouldn’t otherwise want to make a member of staff’s life difficult especially as they’ve given up their holiday to take my DC away.

AnxiousRabbit · 03/04/2024 20:51

G172125 · 03/04/2024 19:43

My son is currently on a school trip to Disneyland. He started to feel unwell with stomach pains and vomiting. He got split up from he’s group and was left alone in Disney village. I managed to get hold of the teacher to let her know and she said she would go to him. My son then text me and said she said she Can’t go to him because she is queuing for a ride. Nobody bothered to go look for my son for two hours. Aibu to make a complaint about this and take it further?

I am confused about the timeline.
He called you and you managed to speak to his teacher....and only then did he managed to WhatsApp her?
And after telling you she would.go and find him, she told him she couldn't.

WonderingWanda · 03/04/2024 20:50

I'm a teacher and a regular trip leader. If a child...even a sixth former rang me to report those symptoms I (also the first aider) would want to check them over. I would also not be happy at a child being left on their own by friends. We always insist students remain in groups when being remotely supervised. I would be very unhappy with the teacher saying she couldn't come because she was in a queue.

G172125 · 03/04/2024 20:49

Azandme · 03/04/2024 20:44

too busy on her holiday to bother

Ah come on OP, be fair.

School trips are the most stressful, exhausting, relentless things teachers do. In their own time. Which they don't have to do.

The ONLY reason we do them is for the kids, because frankly, they are a horrific amount of additional work in advance, you're constantly on alert, and the sheer weight of the responsibility for all those children is enough to keep you up all night. Then there's the ones who don't follow rules, or try to sneak out, or buy alcohol, or lose something important.

A "holiday" it is not.

Fair enough I wouldn’t like to go on one and be responsible for other peoples kids. But I wouldn’t be leaving them alone and Ill for two hours whilst I went on a ride either 🙄
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RedHelenB · 03/04/2024 20:49

G172125 · 03/04/2024 20:25

No just stating the facts

Stating she was too busy on her holiday is opinion not fact. Hth.

Bushmillsbabe · 03/04/2024 20:49

G172125 · 03/04/2024 20:16

i Don’t agree with this at all. All the the children from year 8 to 11 are walking around the park alone. The teachers have got to go on a trip to Disneyland. There is no option to get back to the hotel it’s a coach drive away. From the pictures posted on there social media it looks as though the teachers are going around the park together

Your focus on this being a 'free holiday' isn't helping. I'm sure the teachers would much rather be there with their own children than yours! Having taken children away on residentials, I can assure you it's not exactly a relaxing holiday.
The teacher would have made an assessment when they spoke with him regarding how ill he sounded, if he had been critically unwell I'm sure they would have sought medical help for him.
I would be annoyed with his friends, on these trips its always drummed into them to go round as 3's or 4's, so 1 can stay with someone if any issues and 1 can seek help. They were given instructions, they didn't follow them
I think there must be more to this, have you spoken/messaged with the teacher?

AnxiousRabbit · 03/04/2024 20:45

SkyBloo · 03/04/2024 20:31

From the pictures posted on there social media it looks as though the teachers are going around the park together

I call bullshit. In no school I have ever come across would teachers be posting pics of themselves with other teachers, on social media or anywhere parents would see.

In fairness ours does

Azandme · 03/04/2024 20:44

G172125 · 03/04/2024 19:53

Just turned 16, year 11. First time in a foreign country . The teacher new the situation and he’s location but was to busy on her holiday to bother. He spoke to her on the phone.

too busy on her holiday to bother

Ah come on OP, be fair.

School trips are the most stressful, exhausting, relentless things teachers do. In their own time. Which they don't have to do.

The ONLY reason we do them is for the kids, because frankly, they are a horrific amount of additional work in advance, you're constantly on alert, and the sheer weight of the responsibility for all those children is enough to keep you up all night. Then there's the ones who don't follow rules, or try to sneak out, or buy alcohol, or lose something important.

A "holiday" it is not.

Nudgethatjudge · 03/04/2024 20:43

ManchesterBeatrice · 03/04/2024 20:40

I've filed this under the list of...

Filed in what list ??

Jeannie88 · 03/04/2024 20:43

Cookiemiguel · 03/04/2024 20:14

This. My DD’s go to a school that have loads of trips, including abroad. Whether it was a theme park like Alton towers, or a trip to Madrid where they were allowed (at year 8) to wander around the shops alone, there was always a teachers stationed somewhere where they could find them. I can see the benefits of a teacher just giving their number out so they can move around too, but surely it should be a priority that if they are contacted by a child who needs help, that they fucking help them! I actually can’t imagine a teacher telling a sick child, in a foreign country, who they are responsible for, ‘nah I’m too busy queuing for a Disney ride, you’ll have to sit on a bench for two hours on your own until I’m finished’. Completely unacceptable

I'm sure this wasn't the case, that teacher will have passed it on to the others on duty at that time. We are there 24/7 and do shifts to be available, night and day, so she was most likely saying she couldn't do it immediately but another teacher would? Xx

rainydogday · 03/04/2024 20:41

Christ, some horrid replies. I still class my 16 old as a child! Being in a foreign country, in pain and vomiting and told there is no help. He called his mum. That is normal behaviour. Poor kid. Mine are very rarely sick and when they have been it does feel awful and uncontrollable sometimes. How does anyone know that he doesn't have something worse the just a sick bug, dehydration etc. I would be pissed off knowing he was own his own feeing ill. Hope he is ok.

tothelefttotheleft · 03/04/2024 20:40

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 03/04/2024 19:57

These responses are ridiculous. Teachers are acting as Loco Parentis, you know, in the absence of an actual parent. Are posters really saying if that was their child then they'd just leave them while they carried on queueing for a ride??

Exactly.

It could have been something serious.

G172125 · 03/04/2024 20:40

SkyBloo · 03/04/2024 20:31

From the pictures posted on there social media it looks as though the teachers are going around the park together

I call bullshit. In no school I have ever come across would teachers be posting pics of themselves with other teachers, on social media or anywhere parents would see.

I could post the pictures but obviously that would be outing the school. There are very little pictures of the students on the trip but quite a few of the teachers with different characters and seeing different shows. Which I have no problem with but I think it should of been a priority for one of them to go and check on one of there students if they became ill

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ManchesterBeatrice · 03/04/2024 20:40

Nudgethatjudge · 03/04/2024 20:37

I am amazed there is no agreed meeting spot with a member of staff (or 2) on duty, especially with the young people able to go off not in supervised groups.

And to say can't help as queuing for a ride.... bloody hell. They needed to check on your son.

I've filed this under the list of...

Jeannie88 · 03/04/2024 20:39

CorvusPurpureus · 03/04/2024 20:07

It doesn't sound brilliantly organised.

Whenever I've done theme park trips, two teachers have been stationed somewhere central (usually cracking on with work on laptops at a cafe) & students know to go there if they get separated from their friends, are unwell etc.

If a student needs a teacher to go & find them in a dire emergency, one does that whilst the other stays put.

I would still expect a 16yo with a dicky tum to be able to find somewhere quiet to sit on his phone for a bit, though.

& yes to 'year 11s, Easter, on a jolly, wtaf?!'

Exactly, we make it over clear to students and parents alike what the protocol is and there is always someone on duty. Have been on so many trips abroad and there has never been a problem, they come back to meeting place or now call who is on duty. It does seem a case he rang one teacher who wasnt on duty then his Mum who has feared the worst.

Azandme · 03/04/2024 20:37

PrincessTeaSet · 03/04/2024 20:33

Clothes? For a 2 day trip to Disney? How do you know they have pets or kids ?

I have pets and kids, I've also staffed numerous trips, in my own time.

Most of my colleagues also have kids/pets/both.

Nudgethatjudge · 03/04/2024 20:37

I am amazed there is no agreed meeting spot with a member of staff (or 2) on duty, especially with the young people able to go off not in supervised groups.

And to say can't help as queuing for a ride.... bloody hell. They needed to check on your son.

JustWhatWeDontNeed · 03/04/2024 20:35

travelallthetime · 03/04/2024 20:31

I find it incredibly hard to believe that any school thinks it is reasonable to take yr 11's on a school trip 5 weeks before gcse's

It's not uncommon. As already stated, our teens' school is in Andorra for the week. All year groups welcome.

Jeannie88 · 03/04/2024 20:34

edwinbear · 03/04/2024 19:52

Ahhhh sorry, it was the teacher in the ride queue not OP’s son! Yes, I think she should have left her ride queue to check on him in that case.

Teachers take over duties so she will have passed it on to ones on duty. It's hard work, also very enjoyable, taking students on trips abroad. It's 24/7 do we do shifts and share every part of the day and night to be available and responsible for them. Most likely it was her turn to have a couple of hours free. Xx

PrincessTeaSet · 03/04/2024 20:33

notnowmarmaduke · 03/04/2024 20:01

not when you factor in child care, pet care, family commitments, clothing, food, and everything else it takes to agree to spend your holiday with your work instead of at home..

Clothes? For a 2 day trip to Disney? How do you know they have pets or kids ?

G172125 · 03/04/2024 20:32

FeelingSoOverwhelmed · 03/04/2024 20:19

I'm a teacher who has done lots of trips abroad (including DLP and Parc Asterix) and our procedures (like many others have said) is to have staff at checkpoints plus a mobile to contact. We don't "crack on with work" though, just find a shady spot to have a coffee.

I'd definitely come and find a kid who was alone and ill, and it is absolutely worth following up on this. Not saying your DS is lying at all but just check the teachers side of things as well in case something's got lost in communication.

Yes I will be checking to make sure he’s telling the truth. But from the screenshots and timings of phone calls he’s sent me it seems to me that he his. Just for clarification this happened yesterday and I’ve took a day to think about it and calm down but I’m still not happy and I don’t know if I’m being unreasonable. I know my son and he isn’t one to play on an illness he would have been mortified. After he was found he fell asleep in a cafe till the park closed and they went back to the hotel.

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ManchesterBeatrice · 03/04/2024 20:32

SkyBloo · 03/04/2024 20:31

From the pictures posted on there social media it looks as though the teachers are going around the park together

I call bullshit. In no school I have ever come across would teachers be posting pics of themselves with other teachers, on social media or anywhere parents would see.

😂👏

SkyBloo · 03/04/2024 20:31

From the pictures posted on there social media it looks as though the teachers are going around the park together

I call bullshit. In no school I have ever come across would teachers be posting pics of themselves with other teachers, on social media or anywhere parents would see.

ManchesterBeatrice · 03/04/2024 20:31

@EarringsandLipstick Oh as if.

He's fine.

travelallthetime · 03/04/2024 20:31

I find it incredibly hard to believe that any school thinks it is reasonable to take yr 11's on a school trip 5 weeks before gcse's