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To think some nurseries are pleading poverty unfairly?

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caffelattetogo · 03/04/2024 13:46

We are currently looking at nursery for our DC and quite a few locally charge a top-up fee for funded hours. When we queried this, they said it was because the rates paid for by the government via the councils are too low.

So, I asked our council what they pay, and it's pretty much the same rate per hour as most of the local nurseries charge normally - which would usually cover their costs.

I'm hearing nationally many nurseries saying they will close if they don't charge additional fees but it seems that some are profiting by getting their full funding and top up fees. I understand that each nursery is a business and they want to make a profit, but I wish things were a bit clearer from them about why they need more.

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/04/2024 14:16

Check companies house for profit margins on individual companies.

Bearbookagainandagain · 03/04/2024 13:58

IDontHateRainbows · 03/04/2024 13:51

Its a business so they are allowed to make a profit

I gather the margins are fairly tight for most providers

Of course, but I doubt the margins are that tight. Same in private care etc. No multinational corporation would invest in this if it wasn't worth their while. And there is a huge discrepancy in care costs in countries where most of the care is state funded then when mainly outsourced to private providers.

However, I have no proof! So I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I was meaning to look into the financial reports of the US company who owns our local nursery, but haven't had time to actual do it. If I ever do it I will report back!

KalaMush · 03/04/2024 13:57

@caffelattetogo if some in your area charge top ups and some don't, surely you can just choose one that doesn't? And if you prefer one of the ones that does, due to better facilities etc, then presumably that is financed by the top ups? Sorry if that is not correct (my kids are no longer nursery age), but that's how it appears to me.

strawberryjeans · 03/04/2024 13:54

Scarletttulips · 03/04/2024 13:53

Yes, I'd imagine most staff are on minimum wage, with some apprentices and younger staff on even less.

And you want to leave your baby there?

Find a child minder group.

What’s wrong with younger staff?

Scarletttulips · 03/04/2024 13:53

Yes, I'd imagine most staff are on minimum wage, with some apprentices and younger staff on even less.

And you want to leave your baby there?

Find a child minder group.

T4qn · 03/04/2024 13:52

YANBU, the top up fees are a scam in many places.

I would have approached the nurseries and offered to pay the difference between their normal day rate and what the council pays them. I bet it would be much less than what they’re asking for. Would be interesting to see what they said…

strawberryjeans · 03/04/2024 13:52

Haven’t voted as I’m in the middle as someone who previously worked in early years.

Some settings are truly, utterly skint. They have rubbish resources and long to replace their books, toys, etc but they can’t because they simply don’t have enough cash.

Others are loaded. It’s usually the private ones in the larger chains like this, or the ones charging well above the average. Charging top ups is greed.

It is very much dependent.

caffelattetogo · 03/04/2024 13:51

Bearbookagainandagain · 03/04/2024 13:49

It's a private industry, and someone is making a lot of money somewhere. Not the local nursery staff though. I would love to see the true P&L of a nursery (ours is a local branch of a US chain)

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Yes, I'd imagine most staff are on minimum wage, with some apprentices and younger staff on even less.

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IDontHateRainbows · 03/04/2024 13:51

Its a business so they are allowed to make a profit

I gather the margins are fairly tight for most providers

caffelattetogo · 03/04/2024 13:50

LucyLaundry · 03/04/2024 13:49

Yawn. Do some proper research.

I'd be happy to. How?

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Bearbookagainandagain · 03/04/2024 13:49

It's a private industry, and someone is making a lot of money somewhere. Not the local nursery staff though. I would love to see the true P&L of a nursery (ours is a local branch of a US chain)

LucyLaundry · 03/04/2024 13:49

Yawn. Do some proper research.