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JK Rowling and chamber of the new Scottish Laws

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ChedderGorgeous · 02/04/2024 18:02

Rowling has immediately made statements supporting freedom of speech and despite complaints, Scottish police have said there is nil to prosecute. AIBU that the new Scottish Law will have little material impact ?

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TeenDivided · 02/04/2024 19:14

FairCat · 02/04/2024 18:34

You are being reasonable but I think you underestimate the consequences of the law proving ineffective. Along with other recent judgements we now have legal precedent supporting the right to express discrimination, so long as it's an honestly held belief.

For example if I honestly believe that women in my industry are less productive than men I can now say so. I can set up a Female Critical Research Group to exchange information and justify pay disparity. I can campaign to have women excluded from roles I don't believe they can do well.

Protecting the right to vilify and exclude any demographic with impunity so long as it's 'ones belief' was history. Now it's back. Everyone OK with that?

Well, I think that is quite reasonable. You should be allowed to do that.

You of course in that situation would need to be able to show that women are less productive etc. in order to be taken seriously. This was a battle feminists won, back when? The 70s? But you could try to re-fight it if you wanted to.

DingDongDenny · 02/04/2024 19:02

JKR has done an amazing job, but I still think this will have a chilling effect on people. I know people who work at Universities, charities and other sectors where gender ideology is accepted as fact, promoted and fiercely defended.

This is another reason for people with gender-critical beliefs to fear speaking up. Because even the suggestion of committing a hate crime could have devastating consequences

Tropics4 · 02/04/2024 18:51

FairCat · 02/04/2024 18:34

You are being reasonable but I think you underestimate the consequences of the law proving ineffective. Along with other recent judgements we now have legal precedent supporting the right to express discrimination, so long as it's an honestly held belief.

For example if I honestly believe that women in my industry are less productive than men I can now say so. I can set up a Female Critical Research Group to exchange information and justify pay disparity. I can campaign to have women excluded from roles I don't believe they can do well.

Protecting the right to vilify and exclude any demographic with impunity so long as it's 'ones belief' was history. Now it's back. Everyone OK with that?

Nothing has really changed for women in that they have a long history of being discriminated against - seen as second class citizens, had to fight for the fight to vote etc since time immemorial! Today they had the tide held back a little as men again tried to subjugate them, by claiming hurt feelings that they couldn't now get into their safe spaces.
I guess us women are used to fighting against misogyny, so whatever..

FairCat · 02/04/2024 18:34

You are being reasonable but I think you underestimate the consequences of the law proving ineffective. Along with other recent judgements we now have legal precedent supporting the right to express discrimination, so long as it's an honestly held belief.

For example if I honestly believe that women in my industry are less productive than men I can now say so. I can set up a Female Critical Research Group to exchange information and justify pay disparity. I can campaign to have women excluded from roles I don't believe they can do well.

Protecting the right to vilify and exclude any demographic with impunity so long as it's 'ones belief' was history. Now it's back. Everyone OK with that?

Noicant · 02/04/2024 18:16

Hopefully she’s taken a chunk of gender critical speech off the table as cause to be investigated. You should be now able to point out that transwomen are men without being hassled by the police. If they do hassle women JKR has offered to repeat exactly what has been said so they would have to investigate her too. Stellar woman.

SpudleyLass · 02/04/2024 18:12

She pulled a blinder with that move.

You can't legislate away valid criticism of an ideology that seeks to suppress the voices of women and womanhood, which is a tangible biological state of being, in favour of those whose word we have to take on how they feel, a demographic which is very much supported by the establishment and yet referred to as an "oppressed" minority.

By not challenging her, they have now provided a shield for all those who come after, imo. Good luck enforcing that law now - as you said, little material impact.