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Baby rarely cries and I was told he’s autistic

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Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 00:47

My baby rarely cries and is four months old. His auntie has just said that’s a sign of autism. She’s studying psychology at uni.

If baby does cry I can usually get it sorted (food, wind, cuddle).

Aibu in thinking that she’s unreasonable making such sweeping statements.

i have googled it and it appears to be true :/

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HoppingPavlova · 01/04/2024 02:26

No idea on why you are so hung up on this. Your baby is what they are, be that NT or ND. What does it matter either way, particularly at this point. I have two that rarely ever cried. One is ND and one is NT. However, they both have anxiety and the others don’t. But I don’t think rarely crying was any indicator of this, just coincidental. Stop trying to put them in some box at this age and overthink it all, just enjoy them.

DFO · 01/04/2024 02:24

tiredinoratia · 01/04/2024 02:04

Yep I do. I was one myself many moons ago. The key point being that application and ethics should be taught before content. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and this post appears to be a clear illustration of that.

The key point in your post for me is that you made a stupid sweeping statement.

Maybe you and your cohort were know it alls, maybe OPs aunt is, but don’t judge others by your standards.

fedupandstuck · 01/04/2024 02:04

I think the HV was trying to explain that you are being responsive to your baby and that your baby is content and securely attached as a result. You are doing great, it's hard when they're very small as you don't get much back. Soon your baby will be starting to roll, to crawl, to sit up, won't be long till he's starting to pull up and try to walk and then before you know it he'll be talking.

tiredinoratia · 01/04/2024 02:04

DFO · 01/04/2024 01:59

You do realise that there are thousands of Psychology undergrads don’t you? To lump them together in a sweeping statement is ridiculous.

Yep I do. I was one myself many moons ago. The key point being that application and ethics should be taught before content. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and this post appears to be a clear illustration of that.

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:59

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 01/04/2024 01:52

Some babies are more chilled out than others, might just be personality. I can definitely see after having 3 kids that they are themselves from early on. My anxious girl spent a lot of time crying and on me as a baby. My youngest is a lot more chilled out and was a lot quieter as a baby. All 3 are Autistic and all 3 were very different babies and are very different kids. It doesn't mean anything at this age. Having had a baby that barely slept and cried a ridiculous amount of the time Id say enjoy the quiet. LO will be a toddler and getting loud and into everything soon enough and you'll miss the quite when they dont stop talking all day. My quite baby became a 3 year old who NEVER shut up.

Thanks for sharing

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DFO · 01/04/2024 01:59

tiredinoratia · 01/04/2024 01:21

She might be studying psychology but she certainly won't make a good Psychologist making statements like that! What a 'know it all' comment to make without thinking about the ramifications of her words and uninvited opinion. What a dick move on her part. Psychology undergraduates are insufferable. It think they should be taught ethics and application before acadmic content (edited for typo).

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You do realise that there are thousands of Psychology undergrads don’t you? To lump them together in a sweeping statement is ridiculous.

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:58

I have what people call a “good” baby, which is horrible as babies aren’t good or bad. He’s easy to look after and likes to spend time with my parents.

My HV I think was being nice by saying “that’s all your doing” when I can see from this post it’s just how babies are born. I’m naturally a crier, I cry, all the bloody time. Baby boy is probably needing to be a bit more resilient lol

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tiredinoratia · 01/04/2024 01:56

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:52

She’s got autism as well. Although I don’t see any behaviours etc. could be masking but I don’t know. She’s got loads of friends, just doesn’t cope with some aspects of life.

Then be specific and explicit and ask her not to comment on your baby. Say something like "I love you are learning lots of new things, but please don't pass comment on my baby".

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:52

tiredinoratia · 01/04/2024 01:21

She might be studying psychology but she certainly won't make a good Psychologist making statements like that! What a 'know it all' comment to make without thinking about the ramifications of her words and uninvited opinion. What a dick move on her part. Psychology undergraduates are insufferable. It think they should be taught ethics and application before acadmic content (edited for typo).

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She’s got autism as well. Although I don’t see any behaviours etc. could be masking but I don’t know. She’s got loads of friends, just doesn’t cope with some aspects of life.

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EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 01/04/2024 01:52

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 00:55

Yes I would be worried if baby never cried, but he rarely cries.

nothing really bothers him. I’ve never seen him cry without a good reason.

like today he’s got a cold and has been crying for food (he’s been drinking a lot less). But apart from that I know I can take him out or be at home fine. He will be a bit of a Velcro baby in the evenings so I have to hold him but other mums have told them they miss exercise class or classes etc due to crying baby.

Some babies are more chilled out than others, might just be personality. I can definitely see after having 3 kids that they are themselves from early on. My anxious girl spent a lot of time crying and on me as a baby. My youngest is a lot more chilled out and was a lot quieter as a baby. All 3 are Autistic and all 3 were very different babies and are very different kids. It doesn't mean anything at this age. Having had a baby that barely slept and cried a ridiculous amount of the time Id say enjoy the quiet. LO will be a toddler and getting loud and into everything soon enough and you'll miss the quite when they dont stop talking all day. My quite baby became a 3 year old who NEVER shut up.

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:50

Frozensun · 01/04/2024 01:46

No minimum - or maximum. But, you don’t have constantly interact every moment he’s awake. Put him under an arch and hang sparkly stuff with string, sit outside and listen to the birds. Sit out the front and look at the cars.

Chat away about anything. He hears your voice, he knows you’re close and it helps his brain development. No-one thinks twice about it if you’ve got a young child, so there’s no basket case about it. Young children’s rhymes and books have a sing song cadence, which is good for language development. Are there any mum’s groups close? Or a library that does infants/toddler’s rhyme time?

I need to contact the family centres for free groups and a change from what I’m doing

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Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:48

Bex268 · 01/04/2024 01:45

Oh and for OP my child as a baby was neither one way or the other. He wasn’t a massive cryer but he could definitely cry when things weren’t quite going his way, as is typical. He still very much has the same lovely calm temperament now (unless somethings distressed him). Most friends I have with autistic children had intense cryers whereas mine wasn’t too much of an issue in that area. At four months, looking back, there were indicators - crying was not one of them. I was fairly sure by eight months old though as there was never any joint attention.

What other indicators did you have? Although maybe no point because plenty of parents don’t see behaviours until later and even until they are adults

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Frozensun · 01/04/2024 01:46

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:31

Is there a min number of hours I need to do this? Baby is still in the flat pram due to his age (and him hating tummy time/I rarely do it lol). If he’s awake I do talk to him when shopping (I felt like a basket case when I was doing it at IKEA lol). He’s a little more alert when doing nappy Changes so I can talk to him…. But normally it’s just me saying he has a big bum bum and kissing his 👣 feet.
I do read a book a day to him - usually the classic. also I go to the mirror and have a play with showing him our faces etc.

hard playing with a child and having no adult friends to talk to lol

No minimum - or maximum. But, you don’t have constantly interact every moment he’s awake. Put him under an arch and hang sparkly stuff with string, sit outside and listen to the birds. Sit out the front and look at the cars.

Chat away about anything. He hears your voice, he knows you’re close and it helps his brain development. No-one thinks twice about it if you’ve got a young child, so there’s no basket case about it. Young children’s rhymes and books have a sing song cadence, which is good for language development. Are there any mum’s groups close? Or a library that does infants/toddler’s rhyme time?

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:45

Mumoftwo1312 · 01/04/2024 01:37

You sound like you're doing plenty of interaction, op. Things will get easier and more delightful when he starts playing more (around 6-9mo things get more fun iirc). Just hang in there, everything sounds fine!

And maybe just hang out with the auntie a bit less until you're feeling more settled and less anxious.

I’ve started to do more…. Just hard being by myself and it’s all new to me/

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Bex268 · 01/04/2024 01:45

Oh and for OP my child as a baby was neither one way or the other. He wasn’t a massive cryer but he could definitely cry when things weren’t quite going his way, as is typical. He still very much has the same lovely calm temperament now (unless somethings distressed him). Most friends I have with autistic children had intense cryers whereas mine wasn’t too much of an issue in that area. At four months, looking back, there were indicators - crying was not one of them. I was fairly sure by eight months old though as there was never any joint attention.

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:41

Sorry my phone keeps on freezing the box to type my response and I couldn’t proof read

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Bex268 · 01/04/2024 01:41

@Janedoe82 seriously?! I have an autistic child and I hugged him, sang to him, read to him, did all you’re supposed to. He just has a different neurotype and nothing was ever going to change that.

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:40

fedupandstuck · 01/04/2024 01:32

Where's the fear of rejecting your baby coming from? What do you mean by rejecting? What support have you had so far with the PPA (assuming that's post partum anxiety?) - can you contact anyone to discuss how you're feeling?

It's absolutely fine to leave him to kick about and entertain himself whilst you do household tasks. When he can sit up with some support, you can put him in a highchair in whatever room you're in and interact with him whilst you're doing whatever you're doing. It doesn't need to be a big song and dance number, just chit chatting and narrating to him.

The perinatal team have released me back to the gp.

I’ve had a lot of feelings of rejecting my baby: I’m on the wait list for psychology service for family bonding.

I do care about him and not putting in harm, but at the same time I have thoughts he would be better adopted and that I’m not good enough. Autism or a disability has been no my mind. Katie price although she’s not a role model in alot or aspects, so do hope I have as much love s she does for Harvey

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Mumoftwo1312 · 01/04/2024 01:37

You sound like you're doing plenty of interaction, op. Things will get easier and more delightful when he starts playing more (around 6-9mo things get more fun iirc). Just hang in there, everything sounds fine!

And maybe just hang out with the auntie a bit less until you're feeling more settled and less anxious.

TheFormidableMrsC · 01/04/2024 01:32

@Bigbenbube Ask away. I knew something was up fairly early because I was an experienced parent. I don't think the crying was a particular indicator of autism but I do think it was a sensory issue. My circumstances at the time with a shouty, partially deaf husband didn't help. There were other issues that were more obvious to me than the crying. My firstborn didn't cry very much, she was a very quiet baby largely. I think it was unhelpful for you to be told it's an indicator. Nobody could possibly know that at this stage. Could you have PND?

fedupandstuck · 01/04/2024 01:32

Where's the fear of rejecting your baby coming from? What do you mean by rejecting? What support have you had so far with the PPA (assuming that's post partum anxiety?) - can you contact anyone to discuss how you're feeling?

It's absolutely fine to leave him to kick about and entertain himself whilst you do household tasks. When he can sit up with some support, you can put him in a highchair in whatever room you're in and interact with him whilst you're doing whatever you're doing. It doesn't need to be a big song and dance number, just chit chatting and narrating to him.

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:31

Frozensun · 01/04/2024 01:24

theres a saying - a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, which is applicable here. He’s 4 months old. Too young to know. He’s probably just a chilled personality. You say you’re finding it a bit hard - as a general approach - Chat to him as you’re doing things , chat away when he’s in the pram facing you or you’re changing him, read books to him (never too young), sing silly kids songs. Ms Rachel is on you tube and is quite popular now to find some songs. Try to enjoy him. Get his baby checks done, so that a real professional can give you advice and just let/help him develop.

Is there a min number of hours I need to do this? Baby is still in the flat pram due to his age (and him hating tummy time/I rarely do it lol). If he’s awake I do talk to him when shopping (I felt like a basket case when I was doing it at IKEA lol). He’s a little more alert when doing nappy Changes so I can talk to him…. But normally it’s just me saying he has a big bum bum and kissing his 👣 feet.
I do read a book a day to him - usually the classic. also I go to the mirror and have a play with showing him our faces etc.

hard playing with a child and having no adult friends to talk to lol

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tiredinoratia · 01/04/2024 01:26

He is 4 months old, feed him, love him, change him, talk to him, ensure he gets sleep. Hold him close so his body can regulate against your body. He will learn about the world as being safe and calm by you making it safe and calm. He just needs love right now. Don't get into your head and trust your instincts. Read 'why love matters' by Sue Gerdhart and simply love him.

Bigbenbube · 01/04/2024 01:25

DFO · 01/04/2024 01:23

If your baby has autism, they have it, but at 4 months, no one can tell you,
least of all a psychology student going off 1 symptom.

Let you baby develop and if you have any concerns later down the line, speak to a medical professional.

I have 2 children who both never cried much as babies, one has autism and one is NT. There were things from my child’s baby and toddler years which probably were due to autism but were never realised without my child getting older and other things becoming noticeable.

Ok thanks.

I fear that I’ll reject my baby and I’m already having a hard time :(

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Frozensun · 01/04/2024 01:24

theres a saying - a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, which is applicable here. He’s 4 months old. Too young to know. He’s probably just a chilled personality. You say you’re finding it a bit hard - as a general approach - Chat to him as you’re doing things , chat away when he’s in the pram facing you or you’re changing him, read books to him (never too young), sing silly kids songs. Ms Rachel is on you tube and is quite popular now to find some songs. Try to enjoy him. Get his baby checks done, so that a real professional can give you advice and just let/help him develop.