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45mins is plenty for a 5yo to sit at a family lunch

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anxioussister · 31/03/2024 20:48

Had an extended family Easter lunch today - 4 courses over 2 hours at my SIL’s house. My children 6 + 3 are the only children there - it’s not a very child friendly house - or set up. 15 people at a very formal table with lots of cutlery - host has (utterly madly in my oppinion) laid out formal cuttlery for the children to have four courses as well…

they were polite through the starter - no one was making any effort to engage them in conversation and were visibly frustrated that my husband was focussed on them. the children made it about 10 mins into the main course after which 6yo quietly asked if they could be excused to to their sticker book + colouring in the next room. 3yo follows soon after - has a backpack with trains + duplo in. All is quiet for another 30 mins.

the children have been so good - they have also been playing independently for ages by little people standards. They would like to go into the garden for a while to play. DH and I have finished our main courses + excuse ourselves to play in the sunshine. There are 11 other adults at the table who all know each other.

we came in for pudding. Helped tidy up, chatted for a bit and then left as other people were leaving.

I’ve just had a long message from the hosts telling us they were shocked by how rude we were - and that we need to teach our children to participate better in family events.

I know I’m not BU really but please soothe my outraged soul…

YABU - your children should have sat longer at the table

YANBU - this sounds fine - family are being mad.

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ChekhovsMum · 31/03/2024 21:26

Back in the 80s I was expected to sit through all three courses of a family dinner with very little conversation aimed my way, from the age of 4 or 5. No getting down from the table until the adults had finished.
It was boring as shit, did me no good at all, and I can’t work out what good it did the adults either. But it sounds like your relatives come from the same world, and have no idea how things have moved on. In their day it was rude.
However, if someone behaved in a way that you found a bit grating when they were at your house, you didn’t follow the visit up with a message designed to chastise them and make them feel uncomfortable. So they are being really unpleasant by sending you a message like that, and clearly they don’t value you enough to take your feelings into account. Surely thinking about how others feel is the first rule of etiquette, whichever era you were born in? And however offended you are by someone’s behaviour, you don’t send a text telling them off and just let it hang.
If this were me I would not see this branch of the family again if I could help it. They don’t respect you, and they don’t have good manners - they’re being superior.

edwinbear · 31/03/2024 21:25

Your kids are 6 & 3. They sound impeccably behaved to me, especially your 6 yr old politely asking to be excused. Neither made a fuss, they entertained themselves whilst the grown ups enjoyed their meals and adult conversation. YANBU.

MaryBeardsShoes · 31/03/2024 21:24

Not unreasonable for the kids to need activities. Unreasonable for both parents to leave the table.

BabyEmber · 31/03/2024 21:23

We had SIL over today. Her 6 year old sat still for about 5 minutes and ate nothing. 4 year old wouldn't even come to the table. Lay on the sofa whining.

Sounds like your kids were really well behaved

AnneLovesGilbert · 31/03/2024 21:21

I think we’d have tag teamed and taken turns with the DC, my mum or one of my siblings would also have jumped at the chance to play with the DC while DH and I ate. But they invited your family of 4 and then failed to make any allowances for the two younger members and then showed no manners by complaining at your very reasonable reaction. Rude.

What usually happens at events with these relatives?

BandyMcBandface · 31/03/2024 21:20

I couldn’t have coped with a 2 hour 4 course formal meal making polite conversation with 11 adults, let alone expecting a 3 and 6 year old to do that! I’d have been offering to go and amuse the kids.

Did you know it was going to be that type of event? If so, perhaps you or your husband could have managed everyone’s expectations in advance more, but I certainly wouldn’t have had an issue with you doing what you did.

Needmorelego · 31/03/2024 21:19

Long formal meals are not for small children.
Back in the past children wouldn't have attended a formal meal until they were around 12 or even older.
They ate nursery food with Nanny and would have received etiquette and behaviour classes before being allowed to join.

Jk987 · 31/03/2024 21:19

Nothing wrong with the children's behaviour there. You can't expect a child free person's house and garden to be child friendly though! Can't be that bad unless you're over anxious.

thebestinterest · 31/03/2024 21:18

From a child development standpoint, you are certainly not being unreasonable. I would never expect a child to even sit through 45 mins, which is AGES for a child.

SemperIdem · 31/03/2024 21:18

Agree with @Sunnydays0101 to an extent but do think if the other adults, any of them at all, had interacted with the children even briefly, then your husband wouldn’t have had to focus on them quite so much etc.

Yearendjoy · 31/03/2024 21:17

I think it was rude of you both to leave. Surely it only needs one parent to look after the kids at a time?

RedRobyn2021 · 31/03/2024 21:16

You should jump over to the thread about the lady having her cafe breakfast interrupted

Yes the host is utterly ridiculous

Feel sorry for you that you even have to deal with this

WillJeSuis · 31/03/2024 21:16

Why did your SIL text you and not your husband?

xyz111 · 31/03/2024 21:16

Arrestedmanevolence · 31/03/2024 21:00

My DC would have gone full on badger and started throwing mashed potato so I think yours sound delightful in comparison.

That made me chuckle. I wonder how many people will get the reference? 😂

RoseGoldEagle · 31/03/2024 21:15

Their expectations of normal behaviour, especially for the 3 year old, is way off- though from some of the replies on here, they’re not alone! You were with family; it shouldn’t be this hard! I would not be attending a meal like this again- and make it crystal clear you are proud of how the kids behaved, and apologising for nothing!

newwidowtobe · 31/03/2024 21:15

No. Sorry my kids would never leave a family meal until everyone was finished . Just rude . But I am from a different generation where kids were bored ... and parents don't leap into action at the very sight of said boredom ..

Boredom is not a bad thing.. it fosters imagination ...

In your place I would have provided basic stuff to do at the table so you didn't have to leave ..and they would never expected to leave having been taught this from the earliest age ..

I do however understand that things these days are child centred .. it's just that child centred can often mean child centric.. which often fosters an expectation of amusement at all times .

Librarybooker · 31/03/2024 21:14

So at 6 age our DC would have been fine with the cutlery and non kiddie food (this house has never served nuggets or fingers) but needed a book/device/top trumps to keep him amused between courses. My nephews 2 kids 5 and 6 could hack the situation but eat kiddie food and pull a face at normal veg and need peas and sweetcorn.

Basically they are all different and it’s a good experience to try the formality that will seem nothing in a couple of years for the 6 yr old. Your family need to be tolerant

quitefranklyabsurd · 31/03/2024 21:12

assuming sil is your partners sister then leave it for him to reply to!

she sounds bat shit though. Just bonkers.

Hoplittlebunnyhophophopandstop · 31/03/2024 21:11

Unreasonable for you both to go. I would have taken magazines/book and given them to the kids as soon as they sat down and put them to one side as food arrived. I would have expected them to attempt their mains, one parent to take them off to run off some steam, tag teaming as necessary and the children to return for pud and then to go off and play.

mitogoshi · 31/03/2024 21:11

Brought activities that could be done at the table rather than them getting down, and you leaving the table is a bit rude, but I was a pretty strict parent when it came to table manners

mitogoshi · 31/03/2024 21:09

I personally would have brought

anxioussister · 31/03/2024 21:08

Sunnydays0101 · 31/03/2024 21:03

With us, one of us would have gone outside to play with our children and then swapped over. It also sounds like, when you say your DH was focussed on them at the table, that there may have been a bit of performative parenting going on.

Possibly you’re right. But also anxious about them breaking things in such a child un-friendly house and garden.

but I do take that on board - probably good data that we need to make better choices about the events we take them too

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Tired6789 · 31/03/2024 21:07

Your kids sound so well behaved. Completely unrealistic to expect the kids to sit there for 2 hours. I wouldn't go there again for lunch- an afternoon tea sounds more suitable for their age given the formality!

anxioussister · 31/03/2024 21:06

nimski · 31/03/2024 20:57

I'd reply to SIL you are shocked at how rude they were to your children.

Blessedly my husband is on team - and on the phone to her currently and being very firm about our future engagements being child friendly if they’re expected to be there.

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yaboreme · 31/03/2024 21:05

I think your children did well. I always find it really odd when people start huffing when small children don't sit through 10 courses! I'd find it odd if they did, they are children, of course they want to play. They don't have the attention span of a fully grown adult.

I would have done the same, if anyone commented I wouldn't care less. I'm sure the children will get there, but they are so young and even at 18 I'm sure they'd find it boring.

Maybe best to avoid next time.

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