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To think we should all stop tipping now?

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MuggedByReality · 31/03/2024 17:13

Tomorrow the minimum wage increases to £11.44 per hour. That’s an increase of 9.8%. It also increased by 9.7% last year. Inflation is currently 4.5%.

This is obviously a very good thing for millions of workers in low paid employment across the country and, whatever else the government has got wrong, it deserves credit for pushing through such large increases.

The minimum wage is now set at a level at which it provides fair & reasonable pay for unskilled service industry work. Therefore tipping such workers is no longer necessary or appropriate, so I won’t be tipping anyone anywhere from now on. AIBU?

OP posts:
SabreIsMyFave · 31/03/2024 19:29

@OpalOwl · Today 19:19

I have 35 years nursery experience, qualified in childcare for 20 years currently at level 6, which is a degree level qualification. For this I am paid at minimum wage. Its not much really even with rises.
I always tip waiting staff, hairdressers, taxis, manicurist even though many of them earn more than me.
Its a strange culture.

Why? Why do you tip all these people?

trippily · 31/03/2024 19:28

The fact that care work is paid minimum wage is one of the most ludicrous things i have ever heard. That sounds significantly harder to me than hospo.

SabreIsMyFave · 31/03/2024 19:27

Nicetobenice67 · 31/03/2024 19:20

How rude hospitality is bloody hard work and hours …this person isn’t saying it’s only hospitality …I work in hospitality I’m 57 and only ever had 2 jobs in my life so how exactly does that work

PLENTY of jobs are shit hours and bloody hard work, and the implication on here that someone deserves tips more - in hospitality - because you work soooo hard is just insulting - and a rude and ignorant attitude. It's strongly implying other people do not work hard, and don't deserve tips as much as you!

And yes that poster IS implying people working in hospitality are more deserving of tips than anyone else, and it's totally untrue and insulting to many very hard working people. Especially those in the emergency services!

Faceplantagain · 31/03/2024 19:26

I tip my hairdresser, because he's a very good hairdresser, and we go back a bit. He works for a salon, and when they were about to re-open after Covid, he phoned around all his clients in person to book them in first. I nearly cried and I repay that loyalty by tipping him. I probably need to nudge the amount up slightly as it is under 10%.

It's really hard not to tip restaurant staff these days, as in most cases it is included in the bill, and I don't mind that as it stops all those agonised discussions with your friends about how much to leave and so on.

SoupChicken · 31/03/2024 19:24

I could count on one hand the amount of times I’ve tipped anyway, it’s really not expected in the UK.

Startingagainandagain · 31/03/2024 19:24

'@kitsuneghost
Yes. I stopped tipping after covid
I am not well paid enough to sub other people any more.''

Exactly.

As a person with long term health issues who can only work part-time I simply can't afford to tip.

I have to watch every penny and even going for a simple coffee is a treat for me that I have to budget for. I can't justify subsiding other people's wages.

Instead I expect companies to pay their staff enough so they can have a decent life and not have to rely on tips.

whoputallofthatthere · 31/03/2024 19:23

Smeegall · 31/03/2024 19:21

Then we cancel all wages and all jobs should be paid the same - cleaner as much as the doctor.

Don't be so ridiculous. Nobody is saying that some jobs shouldn't be paid better than others. Do you not think though that everyone should be able to afford the basics?

TurnTheTap · 31/03/2024 19:23

OpalOwl · 31/03/2024 19:19

I have 35 years nursery experience, qualified in childcare for 20 years currently at level 6, which is a degree level qualification. For this I am paid at minimum wage. Its not much really even with rises.
I always tip waiting staff, hairdressers, taxis, manicurist even though many of them earn more than me.
Its a strange culture.

Exactly this, it’s bizarre and ridiculous!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 31/03/2024 19:23

Smeegall · 31/03/2024 19:21

Then we cancel all wages and all jobs should be paid the same - cleaner as much as the doctor.

Why? A doctor studies for 7 years and pays of a lot of debt.

What we need is an affordable society for everyone regardless of wage.

TurnTheTap · 31/03/2024 19:22

trippily · 31/03/2024 19:16

What did you do? Did it really require personal service?

I don’t want to say as it’s specialist but yes. I worked 60 hours weeks, with the general public all day doing sometimes very personal things. I never got tipped, nor did my colleagues and I’ve never spoken to anyone in the industry now who does. There are lots of such roles. I’m in retail now on minimum wage and you don’t get tipped despite literally serving people all day long.

Tipping is very selective. Those who get it say they need it and those who aren’t entitled because their jobs for some reason haven’t qualified despite the long hours and shit wages are forgotten about.

Ditch tips, fair wages for all.

Smeegall · 31/03/2024 19:21

whoputallofthatthere · 31/03/2024 17:21

No, you're not unreasonable to choose not to tip. Tipping is a choice.

You are being unreasonable to think that £11.44/hr is "fair and reasonable" for someone to live on. This doesn't represent any obligation for others to 'top up' wages via tipping, but it also doesn't mean that wages are where they should be. Everyone should have the right to put a roof over their heads and food on their table. NMW just doesn't cut it in a lot of cases and has nothing to do with how hard somebody works.

Then we cancel all wages and all jobs should be paid the same - cleaner as much as the doctor.

trippily · 31/03/2024 19:21

I am tipped very handsomely thank you, i wouldn't work hospitality if i wasnt. I doubt many would!

Nicetobenice67 · 31/03/2024 19:20

SabreIsMyFave · 31/03/2024 19:17

Oh what utterly ludicrous hyperbole. Stop making out people who work in hospitality work harder than any other profession, and acting like you are the only one who works shit hours! 🙄 You have clearly not lived a lot, nor had many jobs.

@WarshipRocinante

Right… but a huge number of people are paid minimum wage. So why should they tip? They’re already struggling to afford meals out. If the tipping pushes them over the edge and they don’t go out, then hospitality workers won’t have jobs.

There is no need for tipping in the UK, not when so many people are paid minimum wage but expected to top another min wage worker.

Exactly! As if hospitality workers so special and precious - and work soooooooooo much harder than anyone else, that they are the only ones who deserve tips?! Give me a break! Methinks @trippily isn't get tipped much lately, and she is salty about it Wink

Edited

How rude hospitality is bloody hard work and hours …this person isn’t saying it’s only hospitality …I work in hospitality I’m 57 and only ever had 2 jobs in my life so how exactly does that work

Martinii · 31/03/2024 19:20

Nicetobenice67 · 31/03/2024 17:20

I work in a school and because I have the holidays it takes at least 2.50 PER HOUR out of my wages to pay for the holidays …so that means my hourly rate is brought down by at least 2.50 an hour

You aren't paid less though. Someone working 39 weeks a year having their salary split over 12 months plus usual paid holiday won't equate to Someone working 52 weeks (including holiday pay).

OpalOwl · 31/03/2024 19:19

I have 35 years nursery experience, qualified in childcare for 20 years currently at level 6, which is a degree level qualification. For this I am paid at minimum wage. Its not much really even with rises.
I always tip waiting staff, hairdressers, taxis, manicurist even though many of them earn more than me.
Its a strange culture.

WarshipRocinante · 31/03/2024 19:19

DaisyHaites · 31/03/2024 19:15

This is illegal. In a month where you are working you must get paid minimum wage for the hours worked in that pay period. They can’t take a deduction for holidays in a different pay period if it means you get less than minimum wage for hours worked in any given month.

They’re not taking a deduction. Teacher simply get paid for term time. They don’t get a salary during the summer holidays.
The poster has just calculated how many hours she would work if schools didn’t close during summer holidays, so how much extra she would earn and Then deducted that from what’s she earns from the hours worked.

No one is actually deducting anything from her wage. She is paid fully for the hours she works… and she benefits from the long holidays. But she is complaining that they aren’t paid during the holiday period.

Okokokokokplease · 31/03/2024 19:18

whoputallofthatthere · 31/03/2024 17:21

No, you're not unreasonable to choose not to tip. Tipping is a choice.

You are being unreasonable to think that £11.44/hr is "fair and reasonable" for someone to live on. This doesn't represent any obligation for others to 'top up' wages via tipping, but it also doesn't mean that wages are where they should be. Everyone should have the right to put a roof over their heads and food on their table. NMW just doesn't cut it in a lot of cases and has nothing to do with how hard somebody works.

Absolutely this⬆️

BobnLen · 31/03/2024 19:18

trippily · 31/03/2024 19:14

Pathetic. Would you prefer for there to be no restaurants or did you just want to have a pop at a poor?

I don't use restaurants as most have such poor service...

SabreIsMyFave · 31/03/2024 19:17

trippily · 31/03/2024 19:06

I work in hospitality. It is shit hours, seasonal work and requires a huge amount of bowing and scraping. That's why we are tipped. Because we make you feel special and important. Nobody else does that for minimum wage.

Oh what utterly ludicrous hyperbole. Stop making out people who work in hospitality work harder than any other profession, and acting like you are the only one who works shit hours! 🙄 You have clearly not lived a lot, nor had many jobs.

@WarshipRocinante

Right… but a huge number of people are paid minimum wage. So why should they tip? They’re already struggling to afford meals out. If the tipping pushes them over the edge and they don’t go out, then hospitality workers won’t have jobs.

There is no need for tipping in the UK, not when so many people are paid minimum wage but expected to top another min wage worker.

Exactly! As if hospitality workers so special and precious - and work soooooooooo much harder than anyone else, that they are the only ones who deserve tips?! Give me a break! Methinks @trippily isn't get tipped much lately, and she is salty about it Wink

whoputallofthatthere · 31/03/2024 19:16

Agree. Access to shelter should be a fundamental right.

trippily · 31/03/2024 19:16

TurnTheTap · 31/03/2024 19:10

Not true. As I said in my other post I worked in a form of hospitality and it was really hard. I never got tipped. Working in a restaurant was much easier. Interestingly, people in retail don’t get tipped either.

Only SOME aspects of hospitality get tips. Bars, restaurants l, hairdressers, taxis, hotels. Everyone else serving can jump.

It’s unfair and ridiculous to those who also ‘serve’ but get fuck all because the world has decided they don’t qualify.

What did you do? Did it really require personal service?

Nicetobenice67 · 31/03/2024 19:16

trippily · 31/03/2024 19:14

Pathetic. Would you prefer for there to be no restaurants or did you just want to have a pop at a poor?

How rude was that bless you your doing a great job trust me I work in hospitality too

TurnTheTap · 31/03/2024 19:16

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2024 19:13

What's your hourly OP?

I get you’re asking this to go ‘Aha’ you’re on £20 an hour so there’ but I’ve alsways been on minimum wage and I don’t agree with tipping. It doesn’t apply to all minimum wage jobs, it doesn’t apply to all hospitality jobs so it isn’t fair. Most Taxi drivers will earn loads more than me (my ex was a taxi driver and his wages were decent) yet I’m expected to hand over extra cash to them? No way.

If tipping were fair that might be different but it’s not. I’m on minimum wage and I don’t agree with it.

Also, bosses often pool the tips and divvy then out and take a cut anyway. Tipping should be banned and fair wages should be fought for.

Northernsouloldies · 31/03/2024 19:15

CatCatCatCatCatCat · 31/03/2024 17:24

I never tip

Are you Mr.pink.😁

DaisyHaites · 31/03/2024 19:15

Nicetobenice67 · 31/03/2024 17:20

I work in a school and because I have the holidays it takes at least 2.50 PER HOUR out of my wages to pay for the holidays …so that means my hourly rate is brought down by at least 2.50 an hour

This is illegal. In a month where you are working you must get paid minimum wage for the hours worked in that pay period. They can’t take a deduction for holidays in a different pay period if it means you get less than minimum wage for hours worked in any given month.