To think we should all stop tipping now?

How about when the restaurant staff earn the same as you? With this they are then warning more. So why we would u give someone extra money when they are better off than you anyway?

But the US is very different from here. Culturally, you do have to tip. That’s the accepted and standard practice and they know those staff aren’t paid properly. The tips are their wages. It’s a totally different culture from here. So, if you can’t tip then don’t go out. That’s just how it is there. That’s not how it is here.

Bowing and scraping? Yuck. That's not what you're there to do, not what any hospitality staff are there to do.

The thing is, the job pays what it pays - and employers should pay their staff properly, it's not up to customers to make up the wages by tipping. I don't agree that hospitality staff do a harder job than anybody else and warrant tipping for it. You (along with everybody else) deserve fair wages for the job that they do and that should be a given.

It's ridiculous that other employees on NMW are expected to tip hospitality staff just because, it's the custom. No, it isn't, not any longer.

I’ve read those stories about people being shamed for not leaving adequate tips in the USA. What if you are skint and it’s your 40th anniversary and you’ve saved hard to be able to do something and some bastard makes you feel really small for not being able to tip enough.

We always tip, but it does occur to me that it must be really shit if you are trying to do something nice on a constrained budget and you have to worry about the tip as well. I’d just never go out, it would be too stressful.

Most things that need tipping are luxuries really and not for everyone. I just build the cost of tipping into the price.

If you cannot afford a restaurant served meal, eat in a takeaway place
Take a bus not a cab
Home hairdressing etc

Never have tipped anyone, feels like I would be paying the underlings and that doesn't sit well with me.

I own restaurants and hate the tipping. We pay our staff over minimum wage and they still all argue over tips. Organising it is extra faff too plus taxes to sort out. I would rather it didn't exist! Not to be mean but we pay them between 12 and 15 an hour and they get all their meals free. We are flexible with shift changes and always happy to help them outside of work too
For example help when moving etc.

Bit tips actually bring out the mean side of people!

I earn min wage and no top ups as I have a mortgage

You're daft if you think £11.44 is a "fair and reasonable" wage. And it isn't just 'unskilled' workers being payed minimum wage. I won't be able to tip any more as, though I work full time in a very busy role within NHS radiology, as of tomorrow I earn 1p over NMW. I have a degree, several healthcare qualifications and over 10 years exeperience within my dept. Thanks Rishi.

I stopped a long time ago, tipping is really outdated as a customary practice and one NMW came in, there really wasn't a need for it.

I still do give extra money directly to people where I want to do that, but I don't feel obliged.

Agree with PP, we need an affordable society for everyone, regardless of wage.

My whole life, my dad has tipped 25%. Doesn’t matter if dinner is £400 or £50, he’ll tip 25%. Does the same for my mum’s hairdresser (and his), and takeaways they get, any sort of personal care customer service type thing (not dentists and stuff). But he can afford it. I can’t! And I think tipping really is optional here, and no one should be made to feel like that have to. So what’s the point in debating it for so long?

I disagree, rents and bills have increased by up to 30% in some areas in 2 years. Same I imagine for bills and food, possibly more. This increase is a drop in ocean compared to this.
I will always tip in restaurants, mainly because I relied on tips myself when I was young, and I try and tip the trainees and apprentices in hairdressers and cabs if I don’t feel they’re taking the piss with the price. It’s just a kind thing to do unless you’re struggling yourself.

You do realise that your ‘fair and reasonable’ pay is still pretty shite and that most people earning this will still struggle.

But hey, you stop tipping if you want.

are you being serious? some people wipe dirty arses and mop urine and vomit for minimum wage. don't be so avaricious

No you're not being unreasonable. I've done a degree to do the job that I do, have over a decade of experience, often go above and beyond, make a huge impact on disabled children's lives and very rarely get a thank you from their families, never mind getting anything extra (and I really don't earn that much). So I don't tip anyone else.

The service industry isn't unskilled. And why do you think you can live on £12 ph?
I will happily tip restaurant workers, it's a hard job.

i don't think tipping has caught on in a massive way here. everyone i know- and myself usually put a few quid on the table after a meal but that's the extent of it. don't tip anyone else at all.

I tip my hairdresser, beautician.,Takeaway delivery men, taximan and a restaurant if the service is good and goes into the server’s pocket. I will continue to do so.

I was curious and did the sums on how much I’d have to live on if I earned minimum wage.

Using my current circumstances, I’d be eligible for an £80 UC top up each week. So I guess on that basis for a start you can’t really say it’s enough to live on. Otherwise it wouldn’t need topping up. (I have DC but both over 18 so they didn’t factor in).

Taking out rent, bills, travel to work etc, it would leave me with approx £150p/w for food and anything else. Tight but doable.

So it really means I guess that tips would be providing some “fun” money to the person. So how you feel about that could influence whether you tip or not. They don’t necessarily “need” it to live. Although obviously circumstances vary.

Absolutely. It’s terribly wrong. And care is such a delicate thing to do. We ask these people to look after our loved ones yet don’t campaign for them to be paid a decent wage and be given the right training.

I always check with the server as to who pockets the tips !

Tips are tips regardless some ppl rely on them

And yes that poster IS implying people working in hospitality are more deserving of tips than anyone else

Not more deserving exactly, certainly there are harder jobs paid minimum wage. I think it is the personal interaction at play, the caring nature of the service which is why we are tipped.

I don’t tip to make up someone’s wages. I tip for good service. I generally hope that tips I give in restaurants etc are used for workers to treat themselves, as opposed to make up their wages.

I agree there are many people who work hard for shit money and could do with the tips