To think we should all stop tipping now?

overall the service in the US is crap relative to the tips they get as they just expect it

This was absolutely my experience when I went to the US.

I never complain about restaurant food but I went to one place and it was so bad. Stone cold and undercooked. Totally inedible. I told the waiter and he literally stood there and shrugged his shoulders! Then walked off 😲 I couldn't believe it. That has never happened to me anywhere else. So I didn't tip. I don't care what their expectation is. I'd already paid for a meal I couldn't eat. No way was I going to tip on top of that.

I've also been to Japan where you absolutely must not tip. They see it as an insult. And their service is always amazing.

I am definitely mindful of how much I tip anyway but I will be even more careful as NMW continues to increase while most people's wages remain stagnant. What also annoys me is when I go out with some people and they assume everyone will want to tip and try and tell people how much to give!

And so many restaurants now include a service charge-I'm not tipping on top of that. I was at a bar in London recently, we found our seats, picked up a menu from the bar, went back to the bar and waited in line to order, then waited for our drinks to be made. And they had the audacity to add a service charge! What service? I did it all myself!

I've always thought it strange to tip some people and not others. Why tip a waitress but not a customer service assistant, when they all earn roughly the same amount? My understanding is that American wages are so low that the tips are essential to bring wages up to a reasonable amount, but that isn't the case here. So, I only tip if I think someone has gone above and beyond. As someone on little more than minimum wage myself, a treat meal out is a push without the pressure to add an extra 15% to the bill.

Thank you

I don't tip in the UK as I work as a TA and so I don't feel the need to top up anyone else's wages over my own low pay. I feel it's down to the employer to pay a reasonable wage and if you can't then you have no business running a business, really. A lot of people on higher wages tip certain jobs as it's ingrained over "it's just what you do" when there's no need. I'd love to hear more stories of people not expecting tips getting them over people who feel entitled to them!

When I visit my partner in the USA, I tip but I bloody hate it as overall the service in the US is crap relative to the tips they get as they just expect it. Not all, obviously and there's great service, too but there's a pattern. It's expected to tip people 15 to 20% even over "self service" buffet and them being rude and yanking me up from my seat to pay at the till before we got finished with our plate of food lol. Apparently, systems in the US mean everyone gets min wage there now these days, too overall but forced tipping still ingrained there.

I don't buy into the "Oh if you can afford a meal, you can afford to tip". NO! A lot of people saved up money to have that meal and afford it. Let's stop enabling the tight wads at the top of the wealth chain and shaming people with less money. Pay your own workers a decent wage so no one has to rely on tips!

The Tories always linked higher wages to lower public services. I think it's a central tenet of monetarism. Provide less but provide higher means to buy. Although it won' provide that, in most examples.

Stop? I've never started!

I was not rude- but if you want to take it that way, no skin off my nose.

You were rude to me I have no time for RUDE ppl like you have a nice day bye

Can you explain where my example is wrong?

You are paid for 6 months (for example) over 12 months.

So if you earned £200 a month for the work you do, you would get £100 every month instead of £200 for 6 months and then nothing for 6 months

If you work 20 hours (simplified numbers) a month for 6 months and then no hours for 6 months

You will be paid for 10 hours a month EVERY MONTH 12 months,
OR You will be paid for 20 hours for 6 months, and then nothing for 6 months

if you work an hour, you get paid £7 for that hour.

You probably get £5 the month you work, and the £2 later, in the month you dont work?

You're not getting less than £7 - like I said in my example above that you were so rude about

Yes - thats correct as normally contractors do their own tax, NI and holiday wherever I have worked before

While not the point of the post. Yes some people do have deductions made for holiday pay. I’m a contractor and was given the choice of having something like £80 a week withheld to then be paid to me as leave or getting it in my wages each week. To be blunt I can’t currently afford to pay out £80 a week to get some time off so I chose to not pay it. If I did, it would be a deduction.

Instead I take it upon myself to save what I can and just take off the time I can afford. But if you work in a school then obviously you have to fit in with term times.

Your wrong it’s pro rata you have to understand that so I get paid the same every month if you don’t know what your talking about please don’t speak for me…for example if I was paid 7 pounds an hour I would get 5 so that I can be paid for the 16 weeks off I’m done with this so many RUDE ppl on here

YABU - It’s not like we’re expected to tip a lot in the UK, it’s a nice gesture to show you appreciate when someone has provided a service and taken care of you. I don’t like referring to jobs as ‘unskilled’ either, most jobs require a level of skill.

I did say in a post I know it has nothing to do with tipping read all the post DARLING

So where is that wrong?
(Apart from adding in holiday days) whats wrong with the basic premise

You are both mistaken. She will have some of the pay for the hours she has worked, in say november, "deducted" so that she will still get an equal pay packet in august.

Wtf that has to do with tipping I don't know

Blimey 😬

No no no and if your going to insult me 🤬 maybe try to do the math right yourself you have no idea what your talking about and on that note 🤬 you

I never said it was complicated and how F###ing rude are you

@DaisyHaites
To be clear, there are no deductions to her paid. No one takes off £2.50 an hour. She is fully paid for the hours worked.

She meant that because teachers are not working all year round, she missed out on what… 13ish weeks pay a year. Not because it is being deducted, just because they aren’t paid because they don’t work. The £2.50 an hour deduction (which she has made up) is imaginary; it’s what she loses in a whole year because she doesn’t work full time.

@Nicetobenice67 do you mean it costs you that much to pay out for childcare?

But that’s what she meant. Which she clarified when I asked to make sure. I asked if she was actually deducted in her pay or if she was just meaning what she loses out by not working during the holidays. She clarified that it was just what she had worked out as the amount she lost by not working the holidays.

She is paid for the hours she works. She doesn’t work during the holiday so doesn’t get paid. She sees it as a “deduction” but not isn’t. She just isn’t paid for hours not worked. It isn’t actually a deduction.

But you work less hours, so you get less pay - I hope you dont teach maths at the school.

You are paid for 6 months (for example) over 12 months.

So if you earned £200 a month for the work you do, you would get £100 every month instead of £200 for 6 months and then nothing for 6 months

Surely this isnt that complicated - you dont get anything taken away