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Or is DS?

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AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 14:54

We have helped DS buy a flat with a substantial interest free loan (about 45% of the purchase) rest from inheritance from DM. He is now saying he must have a freehold property and is planning to move 100+ miles from his work and commute in as he is in office only 2 days of 5 as he can't afford a freehold anywhere nearer. He lives with gf who is long term sick, unsure how much she contributes financially as they won't discuss it with us.
I feel a flat is fine just for the two of them. Would consider upping the loan ( we can't give the extra money outright or would have to do the same for his brother, also there's imo a risk that he could be financially exploited) so he could get a two bed flat nearer in but he insists it's freehold or nothing.
For context he is autistic, finally (took a few years) in regular work but not that well paid. He meets all expenses but obviously is rent free which in the SE would be a significant dent. We want him to have a predictable and secure home but feel this is unrealistic and will cost him far, far more in fares and increased running costs than he saves in service charges. He appears to assume freehold is always best, end of story.
How can I word this so as to get it factual and non-accusatory? Any impediment to or questioning of his plans usually results in a strop and doubling down on original intentions.
Or do we need to accept his plans and let him find out on his own?

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cokezeroed · 31/03/2024 16:09

If the money is (thought of as) yours which was used to help buy a particular property, and that seems likely given the loan is documented as being repayable on sale, then I think you really do just have to say no. You will not be investing your money in a freehold property which needs work miles from where any of you live/work. That is not a good investment for you.

I also have ASD adult children and it's important to recognise they might see situations in a particular way but that doesn't mean you have to go along with everything they want. I would not get too bogged down in the detail of why you don't think it's a good move for your son, just that it's not a good investment for you and you will not be contributing anything towards it - not the original amount which needs to be repaid and certainly not anymore.

It's ok to say no. No matter how old they are your children's love and place in your lives should not be dependent on how much money you give them.

Starseeking · 31/03/2024 16:05

You're going to have to be brutal and just say you will have the loan back, and won't be giving him anything to fund the freehold house. Bank are unlikely to lend him the money, job done.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 15:59

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:52

Maybe in MN land "no is a complete sentence" but some helpful suggestions on how to word it was what I was aiming for...plus I would really prefer not to fall out about this.

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Can’t you just say he’s an adult and so he needs to do this himself and that buying him a property was a one time thing, not something you’re able to keep doing every time he changes his mind? How old is he? How long as he been in his current flat? Does he expect you to buy him somewhere new every time he decides he wants to move? At some point he needs to learn to stand on his own two feet.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:52

Howaboutthats · 31/03/2024 15:45

I dont get why you can't just say no? Why all this round the houses?

Maybe in MN land "no is a complete sentence" but some helpful suggestions on how to word it was what I was aiming for...plus I would really prefer not to fall out about this.

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Howaboutthats · 31/03/2024 15:45

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:40

Trust me, we'll be asking this. And pointing out that train fares regularly rise above the rate of inflation year on year.

I dont get why you can't just say no? Why all this round the houses?

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 15:45

If you’re concerned, just say no. Explain that you were happy to loan him the money for his current flat but that you’re not able to do that again and if he wishes to move he will need to do so with a mortgage like any other adult. He sounds very entitled if he thinks you should just buy him a house now he’s bored of his flat.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:40

xyz111 · 31/03/2024 15:39

A train fare of 100 miles is easily going to be £500 a month. Has he factored in the extra cost?

Trust me, we'll be asking this. And pointing out that train fares regularly rise above the rate of inflation year on year.

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AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:39

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 15:28

So does he own his current flat? Sorry that wasn’t really clear in your OP, to confirm are you saying he currently owns a flat but wants to sell it and buy a freehold one 100+ miles away? Does he pay a mortgage on his current flat? Would he be able to afford to move and pay stamp duty and solicitors fees etc and new mortgage costs etc? To be honest if he can’t even manage a simple budget it sounds like managing to sell his current flat and move is a complete pipe dream anyway, I would just stay out of it and let him explore the option as it sounds like he won’t be able to make it go anywhere anyway.

To reiterate he currently owns a flat with a large loan from us ( no other loans, when he moved he was only in temp work) wants a house at same price, can't get one local to him, hence looking elsewher with massive increase in living costs
Our concern is his ambitions outrun his resources and supporting it would set him up to fail.

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xyz111 · 31/03/2024 15:39

A train fare of 100 miles is easily going to be £500 a month. Has he factored in the extra cost?

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 15:36

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:34

It does say in the first sentence that we have helped him buy a flat with a loan plus his inheritance?
He can't buy anything without our help, doesn't earn enough.

If he can’t afford to buy anything without your help then obviously it’s fine to refuse, you’ve already bought him a flat, I don’t know why he would expect to get another handout. Just tell him you’re not in a position to give him any more money, that’s completely reasonable. If he wants to move then he needs to stand on his own two feet and earn the money himself, that’s a completely reasonable expectation of an adult.

HolidayHappy123 · 31/03/2024 15:35

Why isn't it as simple as saying "no"? He's an adult and can do what he likes, including selling a flat that's presumably registered in his name. That doesn't mean you have to provide him with any further funding.

So just say no. No need to justify your decision. You've given him a loan and that's all you have to give.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:35

witmum · 31/03/2024 15:32

You have given the money. It is no longer yours. You say interest free loan, I assume you have an agreed repayment rate as long as he is meeting that then you have very little say.

If you don't have an agreed repayment rate I suggest you start so that you don't get annoyed by his plan as you have a smaller amount invested and he has less cash to waste on grand plans.

We haven't given it, it's repayable on sale, were advised by a solicitor so he couldn't be fleeced. GM inheritance still at risk, that's quite enough risk.

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AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:34

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 15:17

Okay, sorry that wasn’t clear in your original post. To be honest in that case it doesn’t sound like he is responsible enough to be buying a flat, if he can’t manage a simple budget or understand finances in this way it sounds like owning a property could be a disaster.

It does say in the first sentence that we have helped him buy a flat with a loan plus his inheritance?
He can't buy anything without our help, doesn't earn enough.

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missshilling · 31/03/2024 15:33

So does he own his current flat? Sorry that wasn’t really clear in your OP

An interest free loan from the OP plus an inheritance from his grandmother.

witmum · 31/03/2024 15:32

You have given the money. It is no longer yours. You say interest free loan, I assume you have an agreed repayment rate as long as he is meeting that then you have very little say.

If you don't have an agreed repayment rate I suggest you start so that you don't get annoyed by his plan as you have a smaller amount invested and he has less cash to waste on grand plans.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 15:28

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:24

He has managed pretty well with plenty of leeway on costs and a modest lifestyle, so current flat is fine. What I can't see happening is all the extra expenses he's wanting to face
One thing we certainly will be asking (this moving idea is pretty new) is has he fully costed this

So does he own his current flat? Sorry that wasn’t really clear in your OP, to confirm are you saying he currently owns a flat but wants to sell it and buy a freehold one 100+ miles away? Does he pay a mortgage on his current flat? Would he be able to afford to move and pay stamp duty and solicitors fees etc and new mortgage costs etc? To be honest if he can’t even manage a simple budget it sounds like managing to sell his current flat and move is a complete pipe dream anyway, I would just stay out of it and let him explore the option as it sounds like he won’t be able to make it go anywhere anyway.

Howaboutthats · 31/03/2024 15:27

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:24

He has managed pretty well with plenty of leeway on costs and a modest lifestyle, so current flat is fine. What I can't see happening is all the extra expenses he's wanting to face
One thing we certainly will be asking (this moving idea is pretty new) is has he fully costed this

Sorry but you're really enabling him. You're not helping with how to cope with adult life once you're gone one day.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:24

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 15:17

Okay, sorry that wasn’t clear in your original post. To be honest in that case it doesn’t sound like he is responsible enough to be buying a flat, if he can’t manage a simple budget or understand finances in this way it sounds like owning a property could be a disaster.

He has managed pretty well with plenty of leeway on costs and a modest lifestyle, so current flat is fine. What I can't see happening is all the extra expenses he's wanting to face
One thing we certainly will be asking (this moving idea is pretty new) is has he fully costed this

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Crumpleton · 31/03/2024 15:21

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:10

He doesn't live in our home town, he's 20+ miles away. He can't afford the rail fares of £4-500 a month from his proposed places on top of increased heating, council tax etc.
My issue is nothing to do with distance.

Edited

Have you actually asked him how he intends to pay for all of this. Or does he think that as you got one loan you'll be getting another for him.

Howaboutthats · 31/03/2024 15:20

But it is?! The ASD is a red herring. If he didn't have it would you opening your purse at every beck and call? You're not teaching him how to be a grown up - he needs to learn he can't just snap his fingers and the bank of mum and dad will make everything better.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:18

Howaboutthats · 31/03/2024 15:16

Apologies I mis read. Just tell him no sorry he's fine where he is, he doesn't need to move and clearly can't afford to.

If only it were that simple, sigh. I do think the flat could be remodelled to give them more usable space, might suggest that

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 15:17

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:10

He doesn't live in our home town, he's 20+ miles away. He can't afford the rail fares of £4-500 a month from his proposed places on top of increased heating, council tax etc.
My issue is nothing to do with distance.

Edited

Okay, sorry that wasn’t clear in your original post. To be honest in that case it doesn’t sound like he is responsible enough to be buying a flat, if he can’t manage a simple budget or understand finances in this way it sounds like owning a property could be a disaster.

Howaboutthats · 31/03/2024 15:16

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:13

He doesn't rent now, owns the flat with our help.

Apologies I mis read. Just tell him no sorry he's fine where he is, he doesn't need to move and clearly can't afford to.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:13

Howaboutthats · 31/03/2024 15:11

Honestly he doesn't sound mature enough for you to make this massive investment. I'd let him rent for a while.

He doesn't rent now, owns the flat with our help.

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Howaboutthats · 31/03/2024 15:11

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/03/2024 15:02

I think he hasn't really thought it through tbh. Or assumes he can just choose not to get work done. We have told him how much certain works to our house have cost but he just says he'll get a more modern one which won't need repairs

Honestly he doesn't sound mature enough for you to make this massive investment. I'd let him rent for a while.