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Market experience with autistic DS, I'm gutted

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Emmavee1 · 30/03/2024 14:04

I'm out with my son who is 6, he has autism and ADHD. I have ADHD myself and that's probably why I've taken this interaction to heart but I'm really upset.

DS is fine coming to the market and really enjoys it, we've had a lovely afternoon until just now.

I was looking at some little (boxed) items on one of the stalls and DS was copying me, picking up one thing at a time and reading the packaging.

The stall owner took an instant dislike to DS handling the items and said, in an abrupt tone, that he's going to break them. He wasn't, he was just reading the boxes as I was - and several other people who were shopping there. They were sealed and boxed eyeshadow pallets. He wasn't even trying to open them.

I told DS to put it down and he did, then he stepped away.

I select what I want and wait my turn to pay.

Whilst waiting to pay, DS picked up something else and started to read packaging on that.

The stall owner, full on pissed off at this point, starts having a go at me saying he's going to break them.

By that point I was feeling stressed and told DS, very firmly, to stop touching the products otherwise we wouldn't be buying the sweet he'd been asking for.

DS gets upset and spits at me, whilst I'm still waiting to pay, and the stall owner starts having a go at me about that.

I told him that he's autistic and he just doesn't understand the way other people do and to please try to be understanding.

He then has a go at me and says I'm giving him "mixed messages"

I put back the items I had and left fighting back tears.

I don't know why it has upset me so much as I should be used to things like this now.

Do you think I was in the wrong here?

OP posts:
NaiceUser · 31/03/2024 13:13

labamba007 · 31/03/2024 03:47

@NaiceUser if there's no indication of him smashing it then I'm not sure why the stallholder should have said anything. The comparison is really the same - when selling stuff on a stall people will touch the products and it really doesn't matter if it's a cushion (which gets dirty very easily especially with sticky fingers!) or eye shadow (which I suppose has the potential to get smashed if someone decided to throw it which would be weird but also I imagine rare) - as a stallholder you kinda have to accept it. Not sure what your problem is with this comparison.

He was asking OP to tell her DS to stop before he broke something. Unsure why that's so difficult for you to fathom

ThePerfectDog · 31/03/2024 12:54

WandaWonder · 31/03/2024 12:08

Understand what? If the child was genuinely interested to buy something as a customer fine but otherwise children do not need to be touching

That there is a much bigger picture here, some people either choose not to see that or are unable to understand a situation which doesn’t duplicate their own experience and focus purely on their opinions about touching things that a person may or may not buy. Ultimately even without the bigger picture these are all only opinions and not facts.

Newuser75 · 31/03/2024 12:52

I'm sorry you and your son were upset. I would say the man was in the wrong. Surely if he broke something you would pay for it?

I had the same thing actually with my 5 year old son, we were in an indoor market and my son was looking at the cds, he picked one up and looked at it and the guy snatched it out of his hand and put it back!! The funny thing was that he had some money to spend and would have liked to buy one. (He loves cds). We walked away! People can be awkward!

DrCoconut · 31/03/2024 12:39

My first thought was theft. It's common for people to use their children to shoplift and a disability would be a possible cover. I bet the stall holder has lost stock this way. Not saying it's easy or fair on you though. I have 2 autistic boys and was banned from my local corner shop as a suspected thief (no proof, I am not a thief and I later complained and got unbanned).

Emmavee1 · 31/03/2024 12:30

BusterGonad · 31/03/2024 12:27

Some people on this thread are bonkers Op.

I know right!

DS' behaviour is one thing but these people are full grown supposedly sentient adults.

I think they should practice what they preach and have a serious look at their behaviour.

The last one did give me a laugh, there's nothing as queer as folk so they say.

OP posts:
BusterGonad · 31/03/2024 12:27

Emmavee1 · 31/03/2024 12:18

Don't be so ridiculous 😂😂

Some people on this thread are bonkers Op.

Emmavee1 · 31/03/2024 12:18

Otherstories2002 · 31/03/2024 10:47

Possibly because you attacked a market trader whilst completely disregarding the multiple mistakes you made?

Don't be so ridiculous 😂😂

OP posts:
WandaWonder · 31/03/2024 12:08

ThePerfectDog · 31/03/2024 11:47

OP some people just don’t get it. You’re doing a good job in difficult circumstances and the most helpful thing you can do for you and your son is learn to ignore the people who just don’t understand.

Understand what? If the child was genuinely interested to buy something as a customer fine but otherwise children do not need to be touching

cherish123 · 31/03/2024 12:01

Stall holder was rude. However, must be annoying when children touch things. When my DC were 6, I wouldn't have allowed them to touch things like that.

ThePerfectDog · 31/03/2024 11:58

Sorry don’t know how I managed to quote someone and now I can’t seem to edit it

PaperDoIIs · 31/03/2024 11:55

@Kalevala yeah,no.

ThinWomansBrain · 31/03/2024 11:52

Given that your child wasn't going to purchase eyeshadow, not unreasonable for the stall holder to not want him handling the merchandise.

ThePerfectDog · 31/03/2024 11:47

Otherstories2002 · 31/03/2024 10:47

Possibly because you attacked a market trader whilst completely disregarding the multiple mistakes you made?

OP some people just don’t get it. You’re doing a good job in difficult circumstances and the most helpful thing you can do for you and your son is learn to ignore the people who just don’t understand.

BusterGonad · 31/03/2024 11:32

@OolongTeaDrinker many posters saying that you shouldn't touch unless buying, adults included.

Otherstories2002 · 31/03/2024 10:47

Emmavee1 · 31/03/2024 10:12

By page 2 I conceded I'm unreasonable for letting DS touch things in the first place so I don't know why on page 7 people are still giving me a hard time and telling me that when I've already accepted as much.

I wouldn't go handling make up products on a market stall. Unless it was a basket to rummage in.

It was a basket to rummage in, full of boxed pallets that you have to handle in order to read the box to see what's inside

I might still say "can I look for a brown shade?

You'd be in a minority then because in all of my years frequenting markets I've never come across somebody asking for permission to look through a set up like this.

I can also see that people are still giving me a hard time about the spitting, again as though I haven't already addressed it and explained why it happens and that both me and school are continuously working to fix it.

It happens very infrequently these days as we all know how to deal with DS to keep his stress levels to a minimum but I dropped the ball yesterday when I felt under a lot of pressure by the stallholder l, something else I can acknowledge and take responsibility for.

For the goady poster who has nothing of value to add beyond asking whether I still bought him his sweet after the incident, clearly hoping to draw me into an exchange that leaves me open to even more bashing.. no, I did not. Happy now?

I'm touched by the understanding comments from those who've been kind in their replies even those who feel I was unreasonable in one way or another but have put that across in a way which provokes introspection and an opportunity to learn from yesterday and do better next time.

Possibly because you attacked a market trader whilst completely disregarding the multiple mistakes you made?

Trickabrick · 31/03/2024 10:17

Ignore all the goady posters OP, you sound really measured and are clearly navigating a more tricky version of parenting than lots of people encounter. We’d all do things differently with hindsight x

Kalevala · 31/03/2024 10:13

PaperDoIIs · 31/03/2024 10:03

@Kalevala I have money, less so on the interest in buying stuff.

Maybe you should stay home then if you are constantly picking up things you aren't interested in buying, like a child who hasn't been taught not to. As least you are less likely to have sticky fingers, I hope.

Emmavee1 · 31/03/2024 10:12

By page 2 I conceded I'm unreasonable for letting DS touch things in the first place so I don't know why on page 7 people are still giving me a hard time and telling me that when I've already accepted as much.

I wouldn't go handling make up products on a market stall. Unless it was a basket to rummage in.

It was a basket to rummage in, full of boxed pallets that you have to handle in order to read the box to see what's inside

I might still say "can I look for a brown shade?

You'd be in a minority then because in all of my years frequenting markets I've never come across somebody asking for permission to look through a set up like this.

I can also see that people are still giving me a hard time about the spitting, again as though I haven't already addressed it and explained why it happens and that both me and school are continuously working to fix it.

It happens very infrequently these days as we all know how to deal with DS to keep his stress levels to a minimum but I dropped the ball yesterday when I felt under a lot of pressure by the stallholder l, something else I can acknowledge and take responsibility for.

For the goady poster who has nothing of value to add beyond asking whether I still bought him his sweet after the incident, clearly hoping to draw me into an exchange that leaves me open to even more bashing.. no, I did not. Happy now?

I'm touched by the understanding comments from those who've been kind in their replies even those who feel I was unreasonable in one way or another but have put that across in a way which provokes introspection and an opportunity to learn from yesterday and do better next time.

OP posts:
PaperDoIIs · 31/03/2024 10:03

@Kalevala I have money, less so on the interest in buying stuff.

Kalevala · 31/03/2024 09:52

PaperDoIIs · 31/03/2024 07:47

I can't visit a market or shop without touching stuff. Should I stay home too until I grow out of it?

I assume you are there with money and picking up things you have an interest in buying?

Whatafustercluck · 31/03/2024 09:25

To be honest, browsing in markets and shops with the dc is now our worst nightmare to be avoided at all costs. As adults, we handle things and stallholders accept that. Children see adults handle things and want to do the same. It becomes very hard to explain why they cannot also handle things, however careful they're being. We've encountered quite a few stallholders who clearly don't like children touching things. I get it, kids can be clumsy and unpredictable. Our kids touch things compulsively, both have adhd and frequently get taken over by impulse. So we just stay away from those places because both dc struggle not to touch things and we get tired of the battles with them ("Don't touch!" on repeat) and the disapproving looks from stallholders. We save our browsing for when we don't have the dc in tow.

That said, the stallholder was very rude too and would not have got my custom - particularly after you explained your son is autistic.

Regarding the spitting that others have latched onto and said they wouldn't accept, it's just bad behaviour and there's not excuse for. To do anything except ignore it and calmly walk away would have escalated the situation further. Immediate consequences in that situation are ineffective and do not correct the 'bad behaviour'. With adhd kids (added to autism) they are impusive and lack self control. Yes, spitting is gross, and hugely embarrassing, and dirty etc. But always best to wait until the child is calm and then talk reflectively about what happened, how they felt, why etc. Thankfully dd is over her spitting stage, but we do sometimes experience expletives in public, which is very embarrassing and difficult to ignore with other people's eyes boring into you and expecting you to mete out immediate consequences.

Some people have no idea how hard it is to do the normal things that other families take for granted, op. It's particularly hard when some disabilities are hidden and some children really are just naughty. Onlookers struggle to distinguish between the two.

Abbimae · 31/03/2024 09:03

be less entitled you are wrong. His stock his rules.

OolongTeaDrinker · 31/03/2024 09:02

BusterGonad · 31/03/2024 08:46

This thread is absolutely bonkers. The amount of people that don't touch stuff to check it out, see if they like it. If there's stuff for sale, on a table, shelves etc unless it says DO NOT TOUCH and I'm interested in it, such as make up, small ornaments etc I'm touching it. If it's quite obviously expensive like a hand made blown glass vase etc I'm not touching it.

No one has a problem with adults picking up things they might purchase, but not a 6 year old. I don’t let my young DC go around any retail place randomly picking things unless it’s a toy shop. Not because I’m a perfect parent, mostly because I don’t want to have to pay for something they might ruin, it’s just common sense 🤷🏻‍♀️

BusterGonad · 31/03/2024 08:46

This thread is absolutely bonkers. The amount of people that don't touch stuff to check it out, see if they like it. If there's stuff for sale, on a table, shelves etc unless it says DO NOT TOUCH and I'm interested in it, such as make up, small ornaments etc I'm touching it. If it's quite obviously expensive like a hand made blown glass vase etc I'm not touching it.

Hoplolly · 31/03/2024 08:33

He was rude but I don't let my children pick up stuff in shops etc breakable or otherwise, it just seems polite.

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